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March 30th not March 13th. Arrowoftime 05:37, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

The Press Release is a dead link.--Pittsburghmuggle 11:34, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Here is the actual press release: [1]Desmond constant 12:24, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks.  Robert K S   tell me  06:39, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Which Kwon Is It?

Interesting how in the main timeline the question of which Kwon is one of the candidates comes up, yet in the flash sideways, Sun is not a Kwon but a Paik. Perhaps this means she is not the Kwon they are looking for.

• That might be a clue - it could also be a red herring. Could still go either way. -- AlexDeLarge 02:19, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Alternatively, Jin and Sun's baby could possibly be the Kwon (though I think this a long shot...)--Litany42 03:15, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

I think you maybe on to something.Omggivemaafningusername 03:22, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Nice thoughts. --FrenchFlo 20:57, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Red herring, perhaps, still compelling in that it's leaning toward Jin. His room number was 842, same number showing up on Sawyer's (Ford's) clock. (8 - Reyes, 42 - Kwon)--Slip Jigs 03:38, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

long shot? is that bad pun?--Lucky Day 06:16, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Ha ha. Its April fools day today! Wonder how many funny posts we'll have now! -- AlexDeLarge 10:54, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• Isn't Sun's name Kwon because they're not married yet? That's what Jin told the hotel clerk. kasajian 09:17, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Jin Kwon/Sun Paik --Androticus 04:33, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Literary techniques

Anyone let me know why 'Jack shows Sun a "stubborn" tomato.' is categorized as Foreshadowing in Literary techniques? I know what 'foreshadowing' means but still don't get it. (Foxysmile 04:04, March 31, 2010 (UTC))

• The person who wrote it seems to think that either Sun or Jin, or possibly both, will survive the coming battles, just like the tomato. It's either a spoiler or supposition. It might be foreshadowing, but not knowing what is to come, we can't call it as such. I saw it as more of a metaphor: Jack is trying to tell Sun that her marriage is quite strong and resilient. He was trying to give her hope...--Emissary23 05:03, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• I took it to mean foreshadowing Sun surviving in the FST the gunshot wound. She "doesn't know when to die". -- Clayburn 05:20, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • Yes, but, as Emissary points out, we still don't know what the ultimate outcome is going to be, so saying it's forshadowing isn't really correct (at this point at least); I also took it as a metaphor for having strength in person, or something like that. Perhaps the phrasing should could be clarified, or the LT itself should be changed. Or just dropped altogether for right now. AlaskaDave 08:54, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
    • How about "Symbolism?" I think Jack giving Sun hope is correct. Duncan905 15:35, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• One thing that hasn't been mentioned, or at least I haven't seen, is both Jin and Sun are cut and bleed in this episode. Jin gets his head scraped on the freezer door, and Sun cuts her hand pulling weeds. There must be something of note about that. As well Sun gets her head scrapped on a tree, and gets shot in the stomach. However I don't know if those are note worthy.--Creamstar 19:15, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • Sun's shooting I think amounts to a Cliffhanger, especially pregnant. Duncan905 19:17, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
    • I'm sorry about the confusion. I meant in terms of there being juxtaposition or some clear connection. They are both cut and bleed. However they are also injured in other ways. While Sun's shooting is a cliffhanger, I meant to say, I'm not sure if it's relevant to the theme and connection of injury and blood.--Creamstar 20:13, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• In the vein of "not sure if it is noteworthy" posts, is it noteworthy to mention the constant changing of "whats" to "whos" - MiB being angry that Ben call him a "what" when he is a "who", Widmore telling Jin the surprise is not a "what" but a "who". I let my mind wonder today pondered if this was foreshadowing for the island itself? NandR 19:18, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • Those 2 instances are valid for Coincidence, sure go ahead & add. Duncan905 20:18, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • counts as regularly spoken phrases now methinks.--Lucky Day 16:53, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

The title of this episode, "The Package" could also refer to Jin's $25,000 and watch he was delivering for Mr.Paik Aceofdiamonds 00:35, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

• • I took it to mean that the tomato represented Sun. She doesn't realise she is supposed to be dead. In the FST she will die, in this OT she has been saved by Jacob's touch so far! Just a thought!--Judeood 12:24, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Mikhail

As soon as we saw Mikhail with two good eyes, I knew he was going to lose one of them...totally not surprised at how he died. It's not a direct reference, so it belongs here instead of the episode page, but did the shot of dead Mikhail not look exactly like the Moe Green special in The Godfather?--Emissary23 05:06, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

That guy just can't catch a break in either timeline... -- AlexDeLarge 02:00, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I had a theory that he was immortal - I didn't believe he died after the grenade attack until it became too obvious. The one eye was thought to be reference to Odin. I'd like to see if he lives after Jin's shot.--Lucky Day 06:16, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• I'm telling you, guys. He's going to get back up, and it's going to be all machine behind that gunshot.--Gibbeynator 19:34, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • with the Island sunk maybe the magic healing power penetrates us and is all around us now.--Lucky Day 00:02, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

27-episode gap

I've added this to the Production Notes section: "This is the first time since the Season 4 finale that all credited main cast members have appeared in an episode, a 27-episode gap." If anyone thinks it's incorrect, please let us know. Marc604 05:25, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• All main characters have appeared in LA X, so the gap is not that big. If we, however, consider the two parts of LA X and the three parts of There Is No Place Like Home to be separate episodes, than the last episode all the credited main characters have appeared in is Through The Looking Glass. (yeah, it's been a while) Andris22 09:51, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • So actually it's been a 41-episode gap, if my math is correct. I changed it accordingly. Marc604 17:37, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Main image

When the issue eventually comes up, I vote for the picture called JinSunHotelPackage, upped by Kdc2. It doesn't have the annoying red V and it sums up the episode quite nicely. I understand the concern that some folks could have about Sun being rather topless, but I think it's tasteful and shows the importance of not just one or the other, but their marriage. --Emissary23 05:35, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely excellent choice. Apart but together, and reminds us all what a spunk is Sun! Charles Kane 05:41, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Images

The images are appreciated .... sort of. The ones with the promo with the red "V" are disgusting. Could the poster clean them up asap? Charles Kane 06:19, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• It's not the job of the posters to "clean up" images. That takes a lot of work. Marc604 07:53, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
• That's what you are here for isn't it?. You know "If you are going to do something, do it properly" !Charles Kane 08:00, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • To be fair, perhaps the OP is unable to clean that image themselves. Of course, anyone with the capabilities could freely do so as well. AlaskaDave 09:09, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
• Look, I did it myself, I think I was a bit rude - I apologise to Marc604. I guess I was a bit cross with those outlandish ABC stamps, they are really over the top, do they really think that it attracts people to watch, it's so demeaning to think that the viewer can't take the info in at first sight.I just assumed most people have the tools to do a little image editing, I mean even Picasa will do an adequate job and it really does only take a few minutes. Mind you I didn't even attempt one of them - the injured Sun one. Really that has got to go - there's a damn bright pink thing all over her chin. Does someone have a Canadian HD version. I've got a low def version without the V, but it, like the rest of the images I put up are not v good resolution. Charles Kane 11:31, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Big Red V

Stupid ABC. I hope people are writing their congressman at the TV company about this thing. Did anyone catch Sun's writing on the notepad to Jack? No? That's because it was covered by a big red V, a clock, and giant ABC watermark! I think next week they should have a running streamer with scores at the bottom and an advertising banner every time their Losties are on a powerplay. --Lucky Day 06:32, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

My five-year-old son was watching the countdown as I watched Lost and counting backwards with the seconds aloud. I was pleased he knows his numbers so well, but he was counting so loudly I couldn't make out the dialogue!--Pittsburghmuggle 10:13, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

The logo is not an issue. I should be able to get access to Photoshop. I don't know how effective it'll be, but the countdown should be less noticeable. cgmv123TalkContribsE-mail 10:45, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• This is hardly an issue for the United States Congress. There's a reason it's called "commercial television."--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 13:11, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• Maybe you guys should get the screen shots from the CTV telecast. It was aired 2 hrs earlier in Canada.Mominshahab 14:30, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• Although I agree with you that the little logos are annoying, I had no problems reading Sun's writings. Clamshell 14:43, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• Can we get a screencap of the card with Sun's answer (obscured) for posterity? That must have made the producers go balistic! And its too late for the congressman, my letter is already in the mail.--Lucky Day 05:47, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • @Lucky Day - do want the caps with or without the "V", I have them without if you want them    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   08:48, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
    • I'm really looking for "With" but both side by side would be good - especially to show as a blooper.--Lucky Day 15:58, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• The irony: "The worst part of it all: The relentless reminder largely failed in its bid to recruit ‘Lost’ viewers. ‘V’ saw 30 percent of its lead-in audience decide it was “time” to go to bed or change the channel." [2] PhillyPartTwo 20:13, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• • Yes, the 10pm slot worked so good for Lost in years past, aye? Did they say anything about the lead in from Dancing with the Stars?--Lucky Day 00:03, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Desmond

The note about him appearing for the first time on the island since The Economist isn't entirly correct he appeared at the end of the Lie on the island for a minute!

• Are you referring to when he appears on the Searcher in a flashback? Cause if that's the case, he is not in the present, and he is not on the Island. Hmm.... Marc604 07:52, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • He appears at the end of Because You Left at the Swan station with Faraday. Andris22 09:51, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Good point. cgmv123TalkContribsE-mail 10:45, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Aphasia

I edited the bloopers section to say that the effects of aphasia are inconsistent with Sun's symptoms, and somebody undid it. This is coming from a master's graduate in linguistics: There's no way that Sun's English speech would be completely gone with her Korean unimpaired. http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1902 Before doing anything as drastic as starting an edit war I thought I'd just discuss it here.LOST-Figg 13:17, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

It's not necessarily a blooper on the writer's part. This was a medical diagnosis, of a neurological problem, by a spinal surgeon (okay, so those two fields are somewhat related) -- a character. For all we know, the writers could be intending on proving Jack's diagnosis wrong in an upcoming episode. Or, Jack could be considering it some other sort of disorder, but calling it aphasia, a word which the others may be more familiar with (I do believe he says "some sort of aphasia"). Clamshell 14:53, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

It was pretty funny to hear discussion of aphasia on Lost. I am a Master's student in speech pathology and Jack's little speech made me laugh out loud. It is true in the broadest sense only: brain injury causes language problems. But a concussion leading to this type of aphasia: not possible. It is possible for your receptive language to be spared while your expressive is impaired, but 100% one way or the other is unheard of. Equally unlikely is for it to only affect your 2nd language. But, I realize it's all about artistic license and in the narrative of the show, it works, kind of. Even without all my speech path geekery, having a character get bonked on the head so as NOT to advance the plot is pretty lame. Almost as lame as amnesia, or 'and it was all a dream'. Kuroneko12 05:00, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed this first time i listened to it but had to go back and check,its jsut his acceint :P

I took Sun's loss of English to be her side-ways mind crossing timelines into Island time (and thus not a blooper). --Liberal elite 15:09, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• There could be something in that. It does seem to take a physical shock to trigger the timeline-crossing - flash-sideways Charlie chokes and sees Claire, flash-sideways Desmond's car crashes and he sees "not Penny's boat", Sun hits her head and forgets English... Beelzebubbles101 10:43, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

• LOST-FIgg, I don't know if it was deleted more than once, but I deleted it at some point. I don't think it's fair to say that there's "no way" Sun's English speech would be completely gone with her Korean unimpaired, as it varies from case to case, and there is very little data on aphasia in bilingual individuals. I have a master's in psychology and I'm basing what I've written here from a class in neuropsychology, but of course the study of linguistics is a hell of a lot more likely to fully address aphasia than the study of psychology. Are you a speech therapist? I've always thought that seemed like a cool job. Anyway, aside from any talk of whether this was an accurate portrayal of aphasia, the people above make a good point that it might have been intentional on the writer's part, perhaps something that will be explained later on as the Island having some sort of influence. -- —   lion of dharma    talk    email   16:29, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • Oh definitely, the artistic licence is absolutely something for which we can allow the writers a little bit of scope. It just seemed like the logical thing to note, especially when we pick up the production team on location-based stuff like not really filming things in London and having American-style pavements and pubs and things. LOST-Figg 21:21, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• Did nobody catch Miles and Frank's Lampshade Hanging on this?--Occono 16:33, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
• I didn't. What did they say? --—   lion of dharma    talk    email   16:58, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • (from memory) Miles: "she hits her head & forgets English? We're supposed to buy that?" Frank: "This from the guy who communes with the dead." I don't think our readers would all know "Lampshade Hanging" but it could be mentioned, either expanding the main narrative for the dialogue or a LT like Irony. Duncan905 21:53, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• Oh yeah, now I remember. Miles and Frank were a hoot last night, particularly with that conversation about bacon. I could see that lampshade hanging bit fitting in the LT section. Go for it. --—   lion of dharma    talk    email   23:14, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• It's actually "“Ask the man who communes with the dead.”" PhillyPartTwo 20:38, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• It always makes me laugh when experts come on here and analyse and masticate the tiniest bits of information. Like the people who argued over was that the same boat as the Black Rock in the storm? -That looked like a different storm etc. etc.

No one has bought up the fact that she hit her head and got aphasia just after meeting with Flocke ! ! ! Is it not outside the realms of possibility that he had something to do with it??? She didn't want to go with him becasue she didn't trust Flocke, but if she can only speak Korean maybe that is Flockes way of issolating her so she feels she wants to go over the Kwon? -Aloysius13

• I did notice this. FLocke was there to get Sun, so when she hit her head and fell unconscious, why didn't he just pick her up and bring her back? What did he do during the time she was unconscious?

Desmond Saving the World

With Desmond's return to the Island and his clear importance to Widmore in the upcoming "war," I'm thinking that Mrs. Hawking's comments to him in "Flashes Before Your Eyes" take on a different meaning. She says that if Desmond "doesn't do those things," that "every single one of us is dead." Although she was ostensibly referring to his pressing the button in the Swan, I think she was intentionally foreshadowing the events that are about to happen. Dwtno

• Adding a foreshadowing to the "Flashes" page sounds reasonable. The repetition of "everyone dying/ceasing to exist" could qualify as Coincidence in LT. Duncan905 15:42, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
• Eloise off-island in ("The Variable") states that for the first time in a very long time she doesn't know what's going to happen next, so seems unlikely this is foreshadowing from Flashes. Much more likely her comment in "" "The Island isn't done with you yet," is relevant. Spiral77 00:27, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Centricity

Shouldn't someone with access to the board with the episodes of Season 6 note the centricity (Sun/Jin) of this episode? I would do it myself but this table is "locked" for some reason. Thanks! --Kriton Tog 13:47, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• Done. It's locked because people kept filling it up with spoilers.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 14:36, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Danny's Friend

When Kemay tells Omar to go get Mikahail, he says "that guy who speakes 9 languages, you know Danny's friend." Anyone else think this might mean Danny Pickett? --D Toccs 14:45, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Using it as a nickname, it could also be a horribly out of character Daniel Faraday. --Golden Monkey 18:35, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

I'm going with Pickett —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hobbit86 (talk • contribs) .

• Most likely Danny Pickett, seeing as Mikhail was an Other in the OT and now one of Paik's goons in the FST, seems plausible that Pickett is also the same. There's only two other 'Danny's', Daniel Faraday (never been called Danny and very uncharacteristic to be working with Keamy) and a Danny from Ana-Lucia flashback, who we never see and is only mentioned once, i.e. very little importance. Phobia27 01:59, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• And FYI, it was EIGHT languages. It's always a Number. PhillyPartTwo 20:18, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • Kemay says the guy who "speaks like 9 languages" in the alt-timeline the numbers have stopped cropping up, probably due to the island being under water!--Lizziejj 15:50, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Zoe's Dharma Map

This is Zoe's Dharma's map she shows Jin. If anyone wants to add it in other places feel free.

One pocket is the Swan (on the left near the coast?), one is the Orchid (on the right on the high ground?), what it the 3rd in the center? A new station perhaps? --Liberal elite 16:27, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• The map is listed under continuity errors stating it doesn't look like other maps we've seen. This is not a map of the entire island, only part of it. Zoe states "these are grid maps". She is only showing one in a series. They were made to show magnetic flux lines, not show the geography of the island. Therefore there is no reason it should look like other maps we've seen.--Paleored 21:06, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• This map shows the same area as the map on which Ben is drawing triangulation lines in "Through the Looking Glass Pt 1" and is the same shape. I don't think "Zoe's" map should be listed as a continuity error.--Paleored 15:14, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • Do we know for sure she's speaking of the main island, or just Hydra Island, where they are located?--Pittsburghmuggle 22:54, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • Possibly a valid point, but I think Zoe was talking about The Island. I think the real significance here is the fact that there are now TWO pockets of energy, with the first having already been destroyed by Desmond's failsafe key.--Lucky Day 16:04, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
    • We've always known of two. One beneath the hatch, one behind the donkey wheel. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Odbaynes (talk • contribs) 2010-04-01T11:18:31.
      • Oh, duh. Forgot. Thanks for reminding.--Lucky Day 16:27, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Minor issue in the infobox

Season 6 infobox on the top of the page should say "The Package" (Sun & Jin), not "The Package (Sun/Jin). ShadowUltra 16:38, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Though I think it should be (Jin & Sun) since the first flash was more focused on him. (Kdc2 17:26, March 31, 2010 (UTC))

Also it should be noted that we always list shared episodes as Jin & Sun, with the exception of Ji Yeon. --Golden Monkey 17:41, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 17:48, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Bad day?

When "Locke" enters Sun's garden, he says to her "Bad day?" just as the real Locke did back in "...And Found". This was removed as an episode reference, for not being a direct [enough] reference. Okay, so maybe it wasn't a direct reference, but I think it was a very intentional reference back to that scene in Season 2. The same location, the same characters (well, actors) and the same question used to ease the situation. Just because it never shouted "hey look at me, I'm referring back to a scene from a previous episode" doesn't mean it is not a reference. So where does it belong on the page? Because I think it deserves a mention. A few more recent examples from the last episode. Richard killed the doctor in a similar way to Desmond killing Kelvin (accidentally pushing him over), then his servant walks in with some towels like Libby. Another example is the Man in Black saying the line "Sooner than you think" just as he said to Richard. Maybe that last one is a regularly spoken phrase. So these are not direct references, but similarities. I can accept that, but then where can we put them? Maybe they're not all so intentional, but I think the "bad day" one from this episode clearly is. Should I propose we add a new "Episode similarities" section to episode articles? Or add it under recurring themes with (Episode similarities) by the side of it? As someone who enjoys reading the trivia section, especially the episode references section as soon as I finish watching an episode I feel it is a shame not to note clear similarities with other situations in previous episodes. I enjoy reading such a reference and either saying "yes, I spotted that" or "ah, I never realised!" and I'm sure I'm not the only person. I'm not saying we should note every little similarity like "Jin kisses Sun" or "we see the Island" but when something is very similar to something in a previous episode, but perhaps not a direct reference, I think it deserves a mention. Thoughts?--Baker1000 19:28, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• Good input. Episode References & Cultural References have a strict interpretation to keep them useful & reliably true categories. (I learned from experience ;) You're on the right track though - use Regularly Spoken Phrases, Coincidence where scenes & speech are similar, Juxtaposition where a similarity is offset by switched roles. In doing so, feel free to use links to previous episode pages as illustration. I actually tweaked the accidental death of the doctor/Kelvin from an Ep Ref to Juxtaposition in Ab Aeterno the other day. Keep contributing! Duncan905 19:41, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the suggestion. I'll have to do that. I don't know when we started cracking down on this episode reference thing, because for as long as I've been on this site (Season 3) we have always listed similarities with previous episodes as a reference. Even small things such as the use of a nickname that Sawyer has given to the same character in a previous episode. As I said, I find reading those references/similarities quite interesting to read about, even when I noticed it myself.--Baker1000 20:20, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
• To this point: it's a funny thing, because Lost is such a dense show and TPTB have an enormous arsenal of pop culture/literary knowledge at their disposal. For every direct reference to a movie/book/whatever, there's another that you would only recognize if you were familiar with the source. For example, in season 1, we see Locke with an orange slice in his mouth; he smiles and all you see is a mouthful of orange, just like Marlon Brando in The Godfather. Direct reference? No, but it's very suggestive, and it adds another layer of meaning to the story. Remember last year when the camera looked down the barrel of Ellie's gun when it was pointing at Daniel? Those of us who play video games thought, "Doom!" or "Goldeneye!", while those of you who don't may not have even noticed it. Another example: Daniel takes off his helmet and says, "I'm Daniel Faraday, I'm here to rescue you," exactly like Luke Skywalker did in Star Wars. I half expected Jack to ask Daniel if he wasn't a little short to be a stormtrooper. It's not in the cultural ref section of the episode, and maybe it shouldn't be, but as someone who's watched those films dozens maybe hundreds of times, as many of us have, it's unmistakenly a reference. I'm not saying we should change the rules regarding the reference section on the episode pages, I'm just saying that if you noticed it, chances are someone else did, and it was probably intentional. --Emissary23 00:48, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• Emissary23, I was actually saying that very same thing last week on the Ab Aeterno talk page; you can click here to see what I wrote. I definitely think that there could potentially be some value in creating an indirect cultural reference section, if not in the episode article itself, then in a separate sub article. I do think that there would need to be some sort of set of guidelines, because some of the indirect cultural references I've seen added are really far-fetched, but there are also many that really are quite likely to be intentional on the part of TPTB. --—   lion of dharma    talk    email   01:22, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Frequent Act - offering one's hand

Like Frequently spoken phrases this hand thing is getting pretty popular. Now Jack is doing it. Its a common gesture but its certainly very significant this season as pointed out these last few episodes. We've seen it as a very significant, if sometimes surprising occurance in the past, such as when Locke shook Ben's hand after he blew up the freighter.--Lucky Day 06:28, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

In "LA_X" Jack & Locke shaking hands was highlighted. MiB takes Claire by the hand in this ep as well. Duncan905 07:13, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

caught this in the One of Us transcript, "BEN: Hello Doctor Burke. My name is Benjamin Linus. [He offers his hand, and after a moment Juliet takes it] I'm really looking forward to working with you. Watch your step here. "--Lucky Day 08:50, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'd be surprised if this turns out to have any more significance than handshakes on any other show, with the possible exception that Jacob might "touch" someone via handshake. The camera will naturally highlight a handshake ( or lack thereof ) because it's such an expressive gesture.Beelzebubbles101 09:10, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• maybe, but for this season they are really going out of their way to show this, and there was all that significance in Jacob's touch.--Lucky Day 16:01, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

My theory is that offering ones hand this season is to offer someone a place on your team. MIB does it to both Sun and Kate, and they both decline. He still has work to do as far as convincing Kate is concerned. Jack offers his hand to Sun to join their cause and seek to stop MIB, and she accepts. I don't know how many other examples there are this season. I guess it could work as symbolism, but we don't know if it even symbolises anything yet.--Baker1000 23:18, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Unanswered Questions

• Why does Widmore have need for a geophysicist?

because there are big pockets of electromagnetic energy on the Island. Why did he need any of the science team? Also, "are you on the same Island that I am?"--Lucky Day 06:00, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• What does Widmore mean when he tells Jin that, if the Man in Black gets off the island, "everyone we know and love will cease to be"?
  • Either "everyone we know and love will cease to be" or he's lying. One of the two.--Lucky Day 06:00, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
    • upon further review I see from talk above that its worth mention. I added to episode references instead.--Lucky Day 07:24, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
      • but loudly removed by InflatableBombshelter for not being a DIRECT REFERENCE (sic). ;) --Lucky Day 07:50, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• Is the flash-sideways Sun also maintaining the pretense of not being able to speak English, like original Sun was?
  • this is not a question in the FST (yet). Everything points to no at this point.--Lucky Day 06:01, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• Why are Sun and Jin Not married?

* Flash-sideways timeline has big variations, this may not get answered. In the OT Jin accepted a job with Paik as a condition of marriage, the circumstances of Jin working for Paik must be different in the FST. Also, Keamy reveals hearing from his Paik contacts it's taboo to "mess with the boss' daughter." I say remove. Duncan905 19:36, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Keamy UQ

I've removed the UQ that asked "When he is taping Jin to the chair, Keamy says, "I'm going to strap you in here, just in case you forgot what's about to happen at the island...can't have you freaking out." What does he mean by this?" -- Keamy's line was "I'm going to strap you in here just in case you figure out what's about to happen to you..." He didn't mention the island (someone needs new speakers).--Faraday100 13:08, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• agreed, its been changed --Jacknisko 13:17, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Did this just get changed back to island? Perhaps with the disagreement going on and all the discussions about it in the blogs, until this gets clarified it should read "inaudible." I listened to it three times and believe Keamy stops mid-sentence, mutters "I'll...ah..." and hence the confusion.--Destinedjourney 15:46, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• I have a very expensive sound system, and while the audio coming from ABC's HD stream isn't the best, I also heard "the island" so either I'm insane, or there is more to this. The syllables don't match "to you". Has anyone checked the close captioning?--**

Creamstar 16:36, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• • You are insane, it's not close. Check your sound system warranty
• The Closed Captioning showed it as "what's about to happen to you...". --Gokulrams 17:16, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
• I heard "the island" too, but I assumed what I was hearing was wrong, because the Island doesn't exist anymore. Marc604 17:41, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • Who knows what will happen. I am not going to discuss that. However I will point out in the episode Dr. Linus, Roger explicitly said, "I wonder whether our lives would have been better if we had stayed on the Island." and this was in the flash-sideways 2004 timeline. I leave you to ponder on this. For now the CC says he did not say "the island."--Creamstar 18:32, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
    • They left the Island sometime after 1977. The Island is very much in the water in the present. I encourage you to re-watch LA X again so you can see for yourself. Marc604 19:46, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• I apologize if I'm overstepping here, but I'm going to change it back to "...you" instead of "the island". The CC on the official ABC site has no hint of the word "island". I've screencapped Keamy's dialogue from the entire scene - http://i39.tinypic.com/24w94p0.png Twentythree 18:26, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • I watch Lost with english subtitles, and the version written wasn't the island one, but the other. I think the subtitles are extracted from the "deaf" subtitles, I don't have the right words to explain, but I think you got it.
    • I missed it the first time but after a few listens, I'm sure he says "Island". Also in this episode they refer to Dharma's subliminal message experiments. Coincidence? Whiskycan 22:38, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
      • Yes. They wouldn't deliberately exclude deaf viewers.--Chocky 03:14, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• Yeah, I also heard "the island" (as did Vozzeck, who commented pretty humorously about it). We should keep in mind that Damon and Carlton have said that closed captioning is not canon. Junggai 23:06, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
• First time I heard "about to happen to you" but upon listening again it does sound like he said "Island". However, I think it's just because Keamy says "about to happen to ya I...can't have you freaking out." He says ya, not you. And he doesn't pause before saying "I" instead pausing after it and before "can't". Also, while we're at it, has anyone else found that they can't make out what characters say sometimes upon first viewing this season? I'm usually pretty good at following what the characters say, but this season I have to go back after the episode to make out what they say. The worst moment was Alex talking about Admiral Cornwallis' powers as governor general. I've watched it over and over and still don't know how those words can be formed from the sound that comes out of her mouth. I thought she was speaking a foreign language to start with!--Baker1000 23:19, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

I too heard him say "Island". I had to re watch several times. Subtitles said "I can't have you freaking out" but in my opinion I can't see those words matching his lip movements. I think the makers are messing with our minds!!!!--Judeood 12:21, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

He still makes good eggs... -- Jodon1971 01:26, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• "I'm going to strap you in here, just in case you figure out what's about to happen to (inaudible)... can't have you freaking out." is causing disagreement. A few editors are pushing for Keamy saying "I'm going to strap you in here, just in case you figure out what's about to happen to the island... can't have you freaking out.". Frankly although I've listened over and over I can't catch what he says but it doesn't at all sound like "the island". In context that wouldn't make much sense. I know that people will say Keamy knows/remembers something no one else is onto and this is a leak into OT - that just doesn't jig in the context of tying Jin up in the freezer. What clearly does make sense is tying him up so he doesn't know that when the money arrives he's going to get popped, or that there is going to be a confrontation with the Arab (Sayid) which could lead to violence. The problem of putting "the island" is that if it's wrong it is a major mislead of epic proportions. I'm sure that when the time comes for a reveal about FS/OT it won't be mumbled by a 2nd string character who is dead! Charles Kane 00:23, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• "I'm gonna strap you in here, just in case you figure out what's about to happen to you and I can't have you freaking out." That's what he says, I listened to it a couple of times just to be sure. But yeah I heard "the Island" the first time, but that's not what he says.--Frank J Lapidus 00:53, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • The problem is he doesn't pause between "ya" (you) and "I can't...". Phonetically "ya-andIcant" sounds like "the island." Duncan905 06:19, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• Definitely not "island". What he says is "...what's about to happen to you I [inhales] can't have you freaking out." He runs the "you I" together so it sounds almost like one syllable, followed by a very quick inhalation of breath which some people are mis-hearing as a "d".Beelzebubbles101 08:23, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• Maybe the Lost producers told the actor who plays Keamy to make it sound deliberately ambiguous, so us Lostpedians would have something more to talk about. -- AlexDeLarge 12:20, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• Was there a consensus on this? It still says Island in the ep summary - I don't want to change it if its just going to change back. For the record, I heard "island" as well, but it doesn't really make sense that that would be what it is. --LOSTinDC 22:42, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• From the ABC episode recap [3]:

“

Keamy explains he has to tie Jin down because once he figures out what's about to happen to him, Keamy doesn't want Jin freaking out.

”

So it's not "Island" (even though I agree it does kinda sound like it). -- Graft   talk   contributions  01:14, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

• • what could absolutely settle this is a copy of the official transcript or the closed caption.--Lucky Day 19:04, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
    • The ABC recap quoted above absolutely settles it. They're written by Greggory Nations and based off the script.Beelzebubbles101 20:05, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

According Jorge Garcia it wasn't "Island". He wrote right now - as Geronimo Jack's Beard in Facebook: "For those who are still emailing us/commenting that they are STILL convinced that Keamy said "island" in last week's epi: we just got an email from Kevin saying that he said "what's about to happen to YOU" as it is written in the script and that he doesn't know where all this island stuff came from." --Kosmomerz 17:59, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Island is back again . . Jdray 01:50, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Why does MIB need all the candidates to leave?

A good UA question. I'd like some feedback on a possible sub-question to address the conflict with MIB's stated goal to Jacob - kill 'em all.

• Is it related to why they were all needed in order to get back to the island? Maybe Eloise knows! :P NandR 19:50, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• "Does he still intend to kill them?" Duncan905 19:45, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
• Why do you assume he's telling anybody the truth? JeffreyLV 22:19, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

"Why does MIB need all the candidates to leave??" Because if there are no candidates, nobody can replace Jacob! Then Jacob loses! Anyway MIB doesn't say he "needs all of them" - its clear he just wants Jin. This question is therefore meaningless, and doesn't belong anywhere in this episode. -- Jodon1971 23:00, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Disagree with the second half of your comment. MIB isn't sure which Kwon is a candidate, which is why he tried to get Sun to come with him. If he only needed Jin why would he could care about Sun?--Goose123 20:19, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, you're right. I should have expanded my comment. What I meant was, he was only chasing after Jin because he had left camp and wanted to bring him back. But my point was based on how Locke was showing no interest in recruiting either Jack or Hurley, who are both candidates. Why would he say to Claire he needs Kate even though she wasn't a candidate, so he can make up the number of people he's "shy" of. This implies he doesn't need all the candidates, making the question above redundant. -- Jodon1971 17:22, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

I took him saying he was "3 people shy of getting off this Island and Kate can help me get these people on that plane" to mean the other 3 candidates Jack, Hurley and Sun otherwise he could take any of the other people in his group and it wouldn't matter if they were candidates. If Kate can get the other 3 on the plane along with Saywer, Jin and Sayid then like you said, no more candidates to replace Jacob.--Goose123 01:09, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, "collecting" all candidates will make him sure that noone will ever be able to stop him from leaving anymore

• • good answer. may not be the real one they are getting at but its a fact nevertheless.--Lucky Day 05:48, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

To Jodon's point: MIB wants Jin. Why? So he can trade him to the beach camp for Frank, who can actually fly the plane. The candidates become irrelevant if MIB gets off the Island, because Jacob's mission would be, in Hurley's words, unaccomplished.--Emissary23 00:51, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

no need for a Jacob if the MiB is gone, in spite of above.--Lucky Day 05:54, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• It does seem MIB is interested in collecting the candidates, not killing them. Currently it reads "Why does the Man in Black need all of the candidates to leave with him?" which is fine, but perhaps a change to "Why is the Man in Black trying to recruit all of the candidates?" .. just a thought? --Integrated (User / Talk) 09:22, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• Also for the record, he doesn't say he needs everyone to leave. He says he needs everyone "whose names have not been crossed off." As we have seen, names can get crossed off a) if they die or b) for some other reason (e.g., Kate). He could just as easily be trying to get all the candidates killed (not kill them himself, but have them killed). --LOSTinDC 22:50, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• • The mysterious boy told the MiB that he "can't kill him", probably talking about Sawyer, and Sawyer was still a candidate not scratched off the list. He likely is not able to kill any candidates, though I wouldn't want to tell him what he can and can't do.--Lucky Day 23:58, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• I think your right about the blond boy referring to Sawyer. MIB probably can't kill a candidate directly for the same reason he couldn't kill Jacob directly, and if there is even one candidate left on the island then any of them could "become the new Jacob" and keep him from leaving. I would say he either needs all the candidates to leave with him or he he needs them all to be dead before he can leave. If he could kill candidates directly he probably would have just killed John Locke himself after Locke became leader of the Others.--User:Orpheus22 1:38 , April 2, 2010 (UTC)

• MIB tells Claire he's "three people shy" of being able to leave. He 'needs' Kate to manipulate Hurley & Jack. He had Jin/tried for Sun but knows it's only 1 Kwon. Who's the 6th? Anyways, without second-guessing the Rules he is either being truthful that if they all agree to leave together they can, or he is collecting them to eliminate in a single move. Duncan905 02:58, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Who is the father of Sun's child?

Moved to alt-Sun's page which is a better place for it. This question is not raised explicitly by the episode; the episode gives not reason to assume alt-Sun has been unfaithful to Jin. Spiral77 19:57, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Answered Questions

A number of AQ's this week--Lucky Day 06:10, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

OT

What is the Package on the submarine?

• What is in the locked room on the submarine?
  • Not what; whom? Its Desmond (very, very probably).

The MiB needs all Candidates to leave the Island with him. What does Richard know that Ilana's team must do?

• They must go Hydra Island to blow up the plane. No one must leave the Island.

What was Room 23 (and its videos) originally meant for?

• Before the Others used it on Walt and Karl, the Dharma initiative designed it for experiments in subliminal messages (according to Zoe).

FST

Are Jin and Sun married (why is his name Kwon and her's still Paik)?

• no, they are carrying on an illicit affair which nearly gets Jin killed, and endangers (likely) an unborn Ji Yeong.

Why was Jin tied to a chair at the restaurant?--Lucky Day 16:35, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Why was Jin carrying an undeclared $10000+ in cash through customs?

• Jin was carrying $25000 to give to Keamy in the restaurant along with the watch. Ironically, it was Keamy's payment to kill Jin after the transaction was completed (almost like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern in Shakespeare's Hamlet). Keamy, not having been paid, then kept Jin hostage to attempt to receive payment from Sun.

--Lucky Day 06:10, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Why doesn't the MiB just turn to Smoke to leave the Island

or, more simply, Why can't the MiB leave the Island?

• You think if he could do that he wouldn't have already?

This is an interesting point that brings up Hurley's vampire question again. As you might know from your Vampire lore, ol' Drac needed a ship to get to England: he couldn't cross large bodies of water - just as people with rabies have an aversion to water and garlic.

More to the point, it shows that the MiB can cross a body of water if he has a physical form. He can use the Outrigger to travel to the Hyrdra island so he can leave the Island proper. How far he can go is another question, and does he need the candidates to do so or is he just trying make sure he isn't forced back?--Lucky Day 19:13, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Was the "Vampire quiestion" a canon? I mean, hasn't Jorge Garcia said in his podcast, he just spontaneously added "vampire" and it was accepted by the show crew? I cannot find this ressource still now, though Kosmomerz 16:09, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

• It wasn't canon. I'm just pointing out the similarities. --Lucky Day 03:26, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Mirrors / Reflections - FST

Is it time for a new Recurring Theme? There seems to be significance in FST scenes when active candidates see themselves in a mirror: Jack (twice), Sawyer & Sun. Locke, Kate, Ben & Sayid do not have these type of scenes. (need to double-check "Sundown" FST, but thinking Sayid's claimed status could be the reason) There's also the Lighthouse reflections, and Jack looking at his reflection at the Temple. Duncan905 20:02, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

YES! Although it's not just the candidates who see themselves in the mirror. Locke looks into the mirror just before calling Jack. Kate looks into a mirror at the garage where she gets her cuffs taken off. It's when she goes to change her clothes. Ben's image is reflected in the microwave door, and Sayid's image is reflected in the door of Nadia's house at the start of his episode. I think it has a significance in the FST. Or at least some meaning. A listing of each reflection (when intentional, not accidental, or when focus on the reflection is intentional) is needed in the recurring themes. Only for Season 6 episodes though. It's related to the FST, and the meaning of that in this season. To list whenever a character looks into a mirror or is reflected in previous seasons would be pretty useless, unless those reflections are proven to be significant.--Baker1000 20:30, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

It should be noted that in the FST, the reflections of the people who are currently in Locke's camp all seem to be distorted or obscured (except for Locke himself). Kate sees her reflection in the filthy mirror of the garage bathroom, Sawyer shatters his mirror, And Sayid's reflection is distorted in the glass panes of the front door to Nadia's house, obscuring half of his face in darkness.MarkFunk 20:44, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so we're proposing a new Article. There's already a disambiguation on "mirrors" - how about "Mirrors - Flash-sideways timeline". The Article would be displayed & linked on the Recurring Themes table on episode pages. New ground for me, willing to give it a shot. Any admins around who can take the reins instead? Duncan905 20:48, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

I propose the name "Reflections" as not every character is seen in a mirror. Not sure if we have an article called that. I'll look...--Baker1000 20:51, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, there isn't an article called that, but it takes us to a userpage called Reflections. Not sure why, since it isn't a redirect page, or how to create an article just called reflections. Perhaps something like "Character reflections"?--Baker1000 20:54, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Better name for the article for sure. I guess that means someone picked the name "Reflections" as their handle here. I don't know how to make a disambiguation page, but I'd propose "Reflections: Flash-sideways timeline". We do want to differentiate between a character musing over something. Duncan905 20:58, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Reflection has a double meaning. Mirrors might be a good recurring theme.--Lucky Day 05:49, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• [[Reflections]] gets you a redlink (until someone starts the page), so it's usable.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 22:17, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • Execellent. I only typed it in the search and it took me to a user page. So "Reflections" or "Character reflections"? Personally I prefer just reflections. I don't have time to start working on a new article tonight (almost Thursday here!) but if no one has created it tomorrow, I'd glady make a start. But it's probably quicker for someone else to make a start.--Baker1000 23:01, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

You got your wish here Alt_Timeline_Mirrors but there will likely be a name change.--Lucky Day 16:11, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• Off to a good start, nice! Duncan905 18:17, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• I removed two items from recurring themes relating to people looking in the mirror in the FST. I didn't realise this discussion was going on. I don't think this is a valid theme at all. At best it is a tool the writers have used 3 times. Of course there are other mirror "opportunities" but if this were to be given its own theme it would soon be filled with disputable and irrelevant examples. An example is the second of the items I removed which was something to do with a reflection of Jin which he didn't see - and neither did I. What is the theme in that? This is too much of a stretch. Looking at the current themes you will see they really are established narrative devices the writers have used throughout the series. This suggestion is a rarely used device which might deserve a theory, nothing more.    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   23:34, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

• Charles, an entire article has been made about the reflections: look here. It's laid out very clearly when all of the characters see their reflections in both the OT and the FST, but mostly the FST. There's a composite picture right at the very top of the article where you can see an example of almost all the instances -- one of the pictures is of Jin, and you can clearly see that he is being reflected in a shiny surface. There's a lot of users in the blogs, including myself, who think that the mirrors/reflections are extremely significant. I really think that this is something that we should include as a recurrent theme -- all of the season 6 episodes so far have included some sort of mirror/reflection reference. --—   lion of dharma    talk    email   05:47, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

• • It's also presumptuous to say the writers wouldn't/shouldn't introduce a new, recurring technique to the storytelling in the climactic final season. (or bring a subtle recurring theme to the forefront - many old easter eggs are being caught now, like Desmond) I for one am glad the "Big Curtain" isn't being suddenly ripped away, and we have at least one more thin layer to peel back on the onion. Duncan905 00:02, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Days inconsistency

According to this episode, Sun and Jin slept together at the end of the same day they arrived to LA. That's September 22. The next day, Keamy arrived and took Jin to his hideout. That's September 23. But according to "Sundown", Sayid found Jin in the hideout two days after the landing of Oceanic 815, that is, Septmeber 24. A blooper? --Dr. James (4 8 15 16 23 42) 20:20, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• • good blooper if anyone else can't find fault with it.--Lucky Day 05:50, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• Very good catch!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pottswanna (talk • contribs) 2010-04-01T14:59:51.

The only explanation to this inconsistency would be that Sun and Jin had sex at the end of September 23, and not September 22 as the show makes us believe. Then they would wake up in September 24. But this is likely more of a blooper, yes. --Dr. James (4 8 15 16 23 42) 11:27, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

That could mean Jin spent an entire night in custody at the airport? But when Jin goes to Sun's room he says he is going to the restaurant. Sun tells him not to because it is 11:30pm and the meeting was for earlier that day and he missed it and no one will be at the restaurant that late. Could the discrepancy be in Sayid's timeline?Jdray 23:19, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

No, because Sayid's timeline matches the one with Jack (Jack seen in "Sundown" at the hospital, in September 23). This episode is the problem. I tell you, the only logic explanation is that Jun and Sin either arrived at the hotel one day after the airport, or they arrived the same day but had sex at 11:30 pm of the next day, September 23. --Dr. James (4 8 15 16 23 42) 01:21, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Are we 100% sure that Sayid went directly to Nadia's after landing? Maybe he spent a day doing something else somewhere else and went to Nadia's the following day? --LeoChris 06:22, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

No, that makes things worst! Sayid doesn't owe us days, Jin and Sun do. Read my first post and you'll see. --Dr. James (4 8 15 16 23 42) 03:33, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

I could possibly buy that Jin spent the night in custody but it still seems like he would have had enough time that day to go the restaurant so i am still having a problem with their dialogue concerning that. Why couldn't Jack have been at the hospital two days in a row? Jdray 04:34, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Because in "Sundown" we clearly got what day it is. We see day and night. So we know that Jin in the freezer was found the Friday. But according to "The Package", he would have been found at the Thursday. I've tried to clean this mess in the page Timeline:Flash-sideways timeline. --Dr. James (4 8 15 16 23 42) 15:18, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

When Sun strips for Jin in her hotel room she is wearing the same clothes she had on on the flight. It is highly unlikely that she would be wearing the same clothes two day in a row. Jdray 20:34, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Zoe

Zoe's pretty cheeky. She doesn't exactly bow and scrape in the face of an upset Charles Widmore. What does that tell us?--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 23:15, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

• She's in Mensa? ;) Duncan905 23:49, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
• Bit of spunk for more mature viewers missing Juliet Charles Kane 00:23, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • Dude, I'm not that mature, but I sure miss Juliet. And Zoe might be cute but she ain't no Juliet. -- AlexDeLarge 02:11, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • Gotta agree with that - but I didn't take to Juliet immediately. But its clever they are using a woman with brains, physicality, glasses and a bit of strength of character. She seems to be the Sheila Kelly who is a very experienced TV and screen actress (42 eps in LA Law!) and she's 48! Seems to be playing a much younger woman here. Might be Widmore's squeeze.--Charles Kane 02:29, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • No, no - Zoe is way hotter than Juliet ever was.--Pittsburghmuggle 12:19, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
    • Guess I just have a weakness for blondes. Maybe if Zoe dyed her hair... -- AlexDeLarge 12:59, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• LOL Kane me too. --Emissary23 00:52, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the idea was to stay in universe. <sigh>--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 02:22, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• Ok, Jim--here goes. Zoe is the latest in a long line of strong, assertive, proactive and, yes, spunky, female characters on Lost. Kate, Sun, Juliet, Ilana, Penny...What it tells us is 2 things: good TV shows don't keep all the juicy roles for just the men anymore, and that Widmore is smart enough to recognize someone's value regardless of gender...--Emissary23 03:03, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• She's a slightly more grown up Liz Lemon. Wait, wrong universe.--Chocky 03:10, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• I think she was inconsistent in this episode compared to last time. She was a good con artist at first but in this one she makes mistakes like an absent minded professor - there's definitely a change in her confidence level. I also think like Juliet, Penny and Rousseau she fits a pattern of older women with funny noses.--Lucky Day 05:53, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • Maybe not such a good con artist - didn't take long for Sawyer to see right through her. Doesn't matter. Watched her again and she's growin' on me. Much sexier as an absent-minded professor than as a "new other". -- AlexDeLarge 11:10, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
    • Well, the greatest liar the MiB has ever seen, Sawyer, said she was good (though not THAT good). This brings me back to my point about inconsistency.--Lucky Day 23:59, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
      • Think I know what you're gettin' at. Maybe when we know more about Zoe as time goes on this inconsistency might become more obvious. Or maybe she had the hots for Sawyer and thought she could try and out-con a con! Yeah as far as Sawyer goes its like the boy who cried wolf - once you know someone keeps lyin' ya stop believing everything they say even though at some point they could be tellin' the truth. -- AlexDeLarge 17:43, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Blooper?

When Jin is being shown pictures of Ji Yeon, there is a picture from a birthday party, and the birthday party sign is in English. Shouldn't it have been in Korean? As far as I can recall, Sun returns to Korea almost immediately after the Oceanic 6 return from the island (which is when these pictures would have been taken). Maybe I'm nitpicking or missing something... Davisson444 04:15, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• Didn't Hurley come visit on a few occasions? Maybe he brought the sign. Duncan905 05:21, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• Maybe she had an 'English' themed birthday party. Where everyone ate fish and chips and toad in the hole. and wore top hats. --Integrated (User / Talk) 09:25, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • don't forget the bubble and squeak.--Lucky Day 17:15, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• The map Zoe shows Jin does not look like previous maps of the Island.
  • I don't think this is a blooper or even a continuity error. Its just a new map. Of course we wouldn't have seen it before if Jin had to sign off on it, him being a Dharmite at the time.--Lucky Day 17:15, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

The Stand as a cultural reference

Removed this (again):

• The Stand: Sun's aphasia mirrors the character of Nick Andros in Stephen King's The Stand, a deaf-mute who used a pen and pad to communicate.(Literary Works)

No way that's a direct reference --LOST-Hunter61 06:26, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. That's stretching things.--Pittsburghmuggle 07:31, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

It's a similarity, and one I have added to The Stand article. It's no more a reference than when Locke couldn't talk and had to use a note pad, and he was actually mute.--Baker1000 23:13, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Who's your daddy?

"In the flash-sideways timeline Jin is evidently not sterile. (Juxtaposition)"

I'd like this back. Removal says: "no indication who the father is". I'll grant Sun doesn't say "with your child", but indication wise - what about the big thing she was about to tell Jin? Right after she sprung the idea of running away together. All the pieces are there that they've had a relationship for a while. If the child weren't Jin's what good does blurting that out do? Make Jin stop and ask, then maybe not take her to a doctor out of anger is how that plays out. She tells Jin simply that because it's his & they're in love. Duncan905 07:30, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• Is Jin sterile could be an UQ. Is it leading? Asking who's baby Sun is carrying certainly is.--Lucky Day 07:55, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• I will add a UQ, tbh, though I don't think it's a big deal, probably worth it. --Integrated (User / Talk) 09:27, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• And how is it leading..? A leading question would be "Is Sun carrying Jin's baby?" .. a non leading question is "Whose baby is Sun carrying?" ... agree/disagree?--Integrated (User / Talk) 09:32, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• • Maybe its less leading if it doesn't ask if its Jin's. OK, I've change my mind. Let's see how long it lasts though. --Lucky Day 15:59, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
    • Although I was hoping "evidently" would work to support asserting Jin was verile, I'll concede until we get more (hoping it's time for an Enhanced Ep to provide something useful for a change). So with a valid UAQ like "who's baby is Sun carrying?" I think "Is Jin sterile?" becomes valid as well. We've had a major difference in FST with Jack having a son, this seems valid to wonder & appears to set up that it will be answered at some point. Duncan905 17:33, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
      • "Who is the father of Sun's baby?" (or however you want to phrase it) is valid because it's open-ended. "Is Jin sterile?" is a yes or no question that is not open-ended, which are typically avoided for the UQ section. Additionally, it's more-or-less covered by the first question.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  18:05, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
        • Okay, I suppose it is implied by asking the Sun question. Duncan905 18:16, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
          • Another reason is, the Jin question is not asked in the episode. It's similar to "Can Miles hear the dead in the alternate timeline?" - it's a curiousity, but it's not RAISED BY THE EPISODE. At no point in the episode is anything even slightly leaning towards Jin's sterility (sterileness?) mentioned - thus the question should be put on Jin's page if anywhere. We can't add every curiosity we think of - just questions RAISED BY THE EPISODE.--Integrated (User / Talk) 10:46, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
            • Your approach is correct in the case of Miles in "Recon", but Jin's sterility is more than a curiosity because his FST 'lover' Sun is pregnant, contradicting what we know of Jin in the OT. Jin's a central character, as opposed to Miles or Rose showing up in a main character-centric FST. Again, Sun's pregnancy is a revelation raised by the episode, and with the father unknown Jin's "contribution" to the situation is very much relevant. But I'm still okay with just having Sun's question, since Jin's is implied. Duncan905 23:44, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Magic Air?

Locke suggests that Jin should leave the bandages off and let the wound air out.

• Can any doctors tell me if this is a good idea? It seems to me that this statement says the MiB knows the Island's properties could cure Jin better if his leg wasn't covered, as opposed to the proper medical treatment.--Lucky Day 08:05, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • I think more important was Locke gave him some advice and Jin ignored him totally? --Integrated (User / Talk) 09:29, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • It does make sense that blood from a wound coagulates faster being exposed to the air rather than keeping it covered, although Jin's wound was already like this for days at that stage, so maybe its the air and not the island thats magic? -- AlexDeLarge 11:17, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
    • I also got the feeling we're being shown hints the Island's healing properties are diminished if not gone, post-Jacob. Duncan905 17:38, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
      • If you're right, it makes it urgent that a candidate replaces Jacob ASAP! -- AlexDeLarge 17:47, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Reorganisation

Someone - sorry didn't take note - I'll check history later reorganized the main page. Can I ask that person to discuss such a change here before imposing it on everyone. No talk here indicated a need for the change. In doing it it threw the natural order out so that the last moment did not fall last on the page - which , for me, is enough reason not to do it. It also meant unbalanced sections and an awkward return to MiB's Beach for a couple of lines at the end. I'm against it. I did change the last section to Hydra Island, tho I think Widmore's Team was fine .    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   12:59, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

So this is addressed to Dancing Penguin. Please talk about a reorganization here first. I really yhink yours lacked merit and was change for changes sake.    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   13:09, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Why didn't they just kill everyone?

When Widmore's group ambushed the MiB's group why did they just tranquilize them all? Thoughts?--Lucky Day 17:25, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• Because they are the good guys.--Emissary23 18:06, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• They're scientists, not murderers! Marc604 19:58, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• They're unionized —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pottswanna (talk • contribs) 2010-04-01T15:02:31.
• For realz, yo. I mean, even if they don't want to slaughter them, why not, oh, I don't know, TAKE THEIR GUNS AND AMMO? Tipcpup01Tipcpup01
• They may not know the full capabilities of the MIB yet. They wanted Jin, but they didn't want to completely piss the MIB off, either.--Pittsburghmuggle 21:55, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• And it was a geologist in charge of the mission; not a mercenary. --LOSTinDC 23:46, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • Scientists not mercenaries, that's what I was expecting to see. The character of these folk should get really interesting if Widdy can't get them to shoot on command. And unlike the mercs, he couldn't quite stop them.--Lucky Day 00:01, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
• Zoe even said, she panicked and didn't really know what to do, so jumped to a "tranquilise them all" conclusion.--Integrated (User / Talk) 10:47, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah it was originally an abduction mission not an attack. She just didn't want to wait/risk for Jin to be a bit separated so she can take him, so she ordered to tranquilize them all. --Orhan94 10:59, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
• Many of the people in Locke's "team" are candidats (Sawyer, Sayid, possibly Jin and Kate). Widmore obviously cannot kill the candidats, especially if he's an ally of Jacob, as is currently assumed to be the case.--Lauridsen77 20:08, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

aphasia

Actually traumatic head injuries can cause aphasia, usually global. However, sun was shot in 2004 is sideways time frame. Could that be her problem? Yes, jack's speech was slightly silly. However, there are case reports of such language aphasia but I could not find any where writing was not involved as well. The only possible exception occurs if the two languages were learned together from birth. The author of Lolita learned Russian and english as a toddler. Borges learned both Spanish and English as a child. The most prominent counter-example is Joseph Conrad who learned English in his 20's. the earlier you start learning a language, the less likely is the strange finding of single language aphasia --Bel the dragon 20:41, April 1, 2010 (UTC)--Bel the dragon 20:41, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

• The explanation for Sun's aphasia is the same as Ben's cancer and Rose's cure and Locke's miracle: the Island did it. Everything happens for a reason. --Emissary23 01:04, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Joseph Conrad appears for a reason. His novels: The Heart of Darkness, The Children of the Sea ( which was the American title of a novel which contains the N- word being the story of the sole black man on a merchant ship), Lord Jim (a novel about regaining honor after being ensnared by a character much like Ben), an Outcast of the Islands ( title may refer to Widmore, Locke, others), and finally Nostromo ( a story of the secret crime of an heroic figure). Even his novel Chance (not a sea story) tells of the lonely daughter of a crooked businessman. Every one of these themes hs been explored by LOST. the writing in one language and speaking another reminded me of Conrad and his themes.--Bel the dragon 17:06, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Did Mr. Paik really want to kill Jin?

An international businessman such as Paik would be aware of the prohibition on carrying more than $10,000 in cash. Additionally, he closed Sun's personal account, ensuring that she'd be unable to pay the blood money. Considering that Paik could have simply arranged a wire transfer, it strikes me as suspicious. Did Paik really intend for Keamy to kill Jin? --Haplo781 02:16, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it was Jin's own stupidity for not claiming the cash. He wasn't supposed to be smuggling it, he just forgot to claim it. What I don't understand is why the money wasn't just held until Jin filled out the paperwork stateside.--Pittsburghmuggle 12:08, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Mr Paik is not controlling things. Somebody else wants to pull the strings. The flash-sideways is Daniel faraday's doing. He wanted Keamy dead--Bel the dragon 16:48, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Why are Jin and Sun not married

I don't quite get this. In 2004, after the flight, Jin and Sun aren't married? But in the version of 2004 when they did crash, they are married. What am I missing? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kasajian (talk • contribs) 2010-04-02T04:36:24.

• er, everything about the nature of timelines    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   10:13, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
• Indeed. Jack's appendix is out early, Sawyer obviously became a cop before the flight, Hurley's happy about his life now, some people who were previously on the flight weren't even on it (Michael, Walt, Shannon). The flight wasn't the change in the timeline - the Incident probably was.--Pittsburghmuggle 12:11, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
• well, duh, of course. for some reason, i thought the split happened at the time of the flight, but it happened when the nuke went off. gotcha. kasajian 15:15, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
• @Kasajian I think you are jumping to huge conclusions there - its'a apparent that you haven't been following the Theory Pages for the last few months - where extensive discussion has been going on as to when the "split" might have occured. There are blogs here and other pages delving into the same mystery. At the very least we have seen this season that there is a timeline set in 2004 where the Island is undersea (but with signs that DHARMA was there at some prior time) and that there was never a crash on the Island and that in some way everyone's lives are different. The question a lot of people have been exploring is when the lives of our erstwhile Losties changed, or indeed whether they were ever the same people we know in the OT.    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   16:08, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
  • By the fact that you're suggesting I should be reading the Theory pages, you're saying that this is more of a theory and not a fact. I was *not* trying to theorize here. I thought it was already in evidence that the time line forked in the late 70s when the bomb went off. I just assumed that on the first episode of the season. Is there any evidence to suggest otherwise? kasajian 23:28, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
• Dude, as    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   said above, just 'cos they're in a different timeline doesn't mean they still have to be married. As to "why" exactly that is, we'll just to wait for the writers to tell us, and hope they can answer it with less than half a season to go! -- AlexDeLarge 18:09, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I understand that now. Totally missed the point that the time line didn't fork at the flight. kasajian 23:28, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

What are Widmore's True Motives?

When Widmore sent Keamy on the Kahana he was on a search and destroy mission (using mercenaries) with the hope of kidnapping Ben. The Smoke Monster / MIB was not part of the plan. Whereas now he seems to be after MIB (using scientists) and ignoring Ben even though I'm sure he knows Ben is back on the Island. Does anyone see an inconsistency here? Why didn't he just go after MIB in the first place? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AlexDeLarge (talk • contribs) 2010-04-02T12:59:30.

• Interesting - he did mention his own daughter didn't he? He fears Ben more for the safety of Penny. It doesn't seem like Eloise has any issue with showing him how to find the Island.--Lucky Day 19:01, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Also, we know he's working against the Smoke Monster, and we also know that one of Jacob's men said he's working for the wrong team, which means he's working against Jacob as well. Plot hole, error, or significant? Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions

• According to Ben, Widmore wants to "exploit" the Island. He doesn't care about the struggle between Jacob and Smokey. He simply wants to eliminate anyone and anything that gets in his way. That is, if you believe Ben. Haplo781 04:26, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

"Explains" vs. "tries to explain"

"Explains" strongly implies understanding on the part of the person receiving the explanation. The officer obviously is trying (and failing) to explain the situation regarding the money to Jin. Jinxmchue 04:38, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

• I thought that would be your approach. The officer does no more than "explain". He doesn't even seem to grasp that Jin isn't getting it - typical of customs officers if you ask me, he makes no further effort than stating the rule, so my view that he simply "explains". I don't have the technical language but the officer is just the mouth piece for a rule and he carries out his duty, not one thing more, as I say no "trying" involved. The fact that Jin probably doesn't understand is irrelevant and doesn't effect the officer's action.    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   07:51, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
  • But it affects the description of the officer's action according to the viewers, so it is very relevant. The plot description is from the viewpoint of the viewer, not the characters in the show. From our viewpoint, the officer is trying to explain things to Jin, but Jin doesn't understand. Jinxmchue 14:26, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
  • I had stopped this ages ago - I guess we differ on this as well! The episode write up is mainly straight reportage - not interpretive. I have been criticised for the use of subjective terminology before. Having said that I agree that there are times that we can correctly drift away from straight reportage. I just didn't think it was necessary here (I even watched the scene again).    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   15:11, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Are Miles and Frank Playing Gin Rummy?

• Miles appears to be holding only 9 cards and he is waiting for Frank to discard (I think players hold 10 in Gin), but they are sorted as you would sort cards in Gin and I can't think what other game it could be. Any takers?    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   11:44, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
  • "You got any candidates?" "Nope, go fish!"--Pittsburghmuggle 13:02, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
  • Gin Rummy = "Jin" "Running"?? -- AlexDeLarge 14:45, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Man in Black Description

One of the bits that interested me the most in the episode was when Widmore and the Man in Black meet on Hydra island and the Man in Black asks if widmore knows who he is. Widmore responds that "everything else he knows is 'a combination of myths, ghost stories and noises in the jungle at night.'". I'd been meaning to add this to the article, but I've been busy IRL and was a little surprised no one else has yet - it's the first bit of description about Smokey from the Others perspective we've had outside of "He is Evil" and "He doesn't like the sonar fence".--Pittsburghmuggle 18:41, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

• I guess the problem with what Widmore says is that he says nothing. He doesn't even hint one way or the other as to what he really knows or anything at all really - Its like he's talking about what he once knew when he was on the Island originally. Sounds to me he just doesn't want or need to engage with MiB at all because he already knows who/what he really is and therefore knows how persuasive he can be. This means of all the characters who have interacted with him only Widmore and Sun are immune to his "charms".    Charles Kane     talk  contribs   email   23:28, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Sayid's sickness is different than Claire's

Sayid complains about not being able to feel any emotion. It is clear that it is not the case with Claire: she can at the very least feel anger (towards Kate). Are we to assume that the Sickness affects people differently?--Lauridsen77 20:02, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

• Claire definitely feels anger - and I think this season she really has felt a lot of pain, missing her son so badly that she had to make that weird skeleton baby. One could also argue that the need for revenge (against the others when she thought they had her baby) is also an emotional, a very strong one. NandR 20:07, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • The questions remains: why is Claire able to feel (strong) emotions and not Sayid if they are affected by the same sickness?--Lauridsen77 20:11, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Consistency

I've noticed a lack in consistency lately in the way the Man In Black, posing as Locke, is referred to on here. Not just in this article, but in all articles this season. I think it's errant to refer to the same character by 2-3 different methods within the same article. We should establish some kind of consistency guidelines when referring to the Man In Black. Either state from the outset that it is "the Man In Black as Locke," and then use Locke from there forward, or refer to him as The Man In Black throughout the entire article. It is both confusing for new users, and poor practice for a reference medium. In this article alone, the character is referred to first as Locke, then as the Man In Black, then as "Locke" in quotations, then as Locke without quotations, then The Man In Black, and so on. Currently I have changed all mentions of him in this article to "the Man In Black," since this is what we have already previously decided on to call the character. Considering that The Man In Black, when shown in the present time on the Island, is stuck in the form of Locke, I suggest that is also safe to refer to him simply as Locke after initially establishing somewhere in the article that it is the Man In Black as Locke. --Beema|talk|contributions 20:43, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. I vote for calling him the Man in Black. I suppose "Locke" works as well, but the Man in Black is really just more accurate I feel. --—   lion of dharma    talk    email   23:55, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Things would be easier if the characters would refer to him by one term, but this is probably part of the plot.--Pittsburghmuggle 01:08, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

• I agree that he should always be referred to as the Man in Black now that we definitively know he is the Man in Black and that Locke is buried on Boone's Hill. But i do want to pointr out as a reminder that before we foud that information out we always referred to him as Locke and that is how it should stay for all the episodes that came before that reveal. Jdray 01:54, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

I want those boats

Would an UAQ like this be reasonable: "Why does the Man in Black not utilize the Others' fishing trawler or the 'Elizabeth' to travel to Hydra Island?"

• Even supposing a gap in the knowledge available from Locke, Sayid is aware of the Elizabeth's capture & could have mentioned there is a faster way to Hydra. Not to mention Smokey's presence all over the Island would likely make him aware of the trawler. Hopefully with over a dozen people needing to cross the channel one of the two boats will be making an appearance; Cindy, Zach & Emma at least are aware of the trawler. I'd like to post here versus 'Recon' because this could point to MiB sharing Jacob's dislike or being prohibited from using 'technology.' Duncan905 17:30, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
• Removed. We haven't seen either of these vessels in three years. They may not be serviceable, available or even on/at the Island any longer. Spiral77 19:50, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
  • Dialogue's appreciated. Still, you're speculating contrary to the last evidence we have - both boats functioning & returning to the Others' possession. Not 'available' how - Harper and Amelia took them out to race around the world? Can we get a 3rd opinion to break the tie here? Duncan905 21:03, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
  • It's a bad UQ. There may be many reasons why the vessels are not available for use by MiB. The Others have been shown to come and go from the Island all the time for various reasons (ref: Tom Friendly, Richard, Ben, Mikhail thought Bonnie & Greta were on assignment in Canada, the Other captured by Widmore as seen on Ben's video, possibly Ben's people in LA in S5, etc) and three years is a long time, so there's no reason to assume that either is necessarily in serviceable condition any longer. I'm not arguing the relative merits or advocating of any of these possibilities -- just pointing out that the UQ is based on a potentially flawed assumption - and touches on something not raised by the episode. Spiral77 16:50, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  • I agree with Spiral77 that it's not a UQ appropriate for this episode article, because regardless of whether or not those boats might still be functional, it's not a question that the episode raised. Questions in the form of, why didn't this character do this instead, can be asked in a lot of situations in a lot of episodes, but the UQ sections for episodes should remain limited to questions specifically raised in the episode, not just any random ideas that viewers can come up with. Perhaps the boat questions can be added to the appropriate boat pages. --Celebok 20:47, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  • I think he needs more than that. There is in theory no reason why he couldn't have already built his own raft like the 815 survivors did and left the island that way - he's certainly had enough time, but he's obviously limited in that. He also needs to "eat" (he says he just ate in The Incident, though what exactly he eats intrigues me), so he'd need supplies too.--Pittsburghmuggle 22:23, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

:) Guess the answer to the question is, dads give their kids keys to the minivan, not the Camero. Oh, and Harper totally bailed with the trawler, that or it's the technology thing. I think Smokey would've insisted they sail the Elizabeth over. Duncan905 06:23, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Aphasia redux

Interesting news story about a Croatian girl who wakes up from a coma speaking only German: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/04/14/2010-04-14_croatian_girl_wakes_up_from_a_coma_speaking_fluent_german.html --Jackdavinci 01:13, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

The Man in Black?

• locke tells Sawyer that if he could leave The Island as smoke, then he would have left already. If this is the case, then who was in The Freighter at the end of season 4 when it blew up? I've always thought it was TMIB, since Shepards dad was dead. Glassonion0 (talk) 01:23, December 10, 2012 (UTC)