Talk: The Brig

It's rumoured to be a Jack centric episode. In the official magazine, the producers have stated that Jack will have one more flashback this season.--Pinknoise 01:16, 10 April 2007 (PDT) He's had two, "A Tale of Two Cities" and "Stranger in a Strange Land" --Blueeagle islander 01:19, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

Press release yet?[]

I know, I'm a media hound. Xd (Isolation815 17:20, 10 April 2007 (PDT))

No. Just a primetime grid announcing the episode. --Marik7772003 17:24, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

As soon as there is a press release it will be added to the page. Just add the article to your watchlist and you will know as soon as we do. And press releases are usually released on Mondays a week or two apart from each other. We just got DOC so you might have to wait a few days.-Mr.Leaf 17:25, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

Many thank yous. (Isolation815 18:15, 10 April 2007 (PDT))

The Brig is, to me, the place where Anthony Cooper is being kept. (Anastoplusp)

Released now:

LOCKE TRIES TO PERSUADE SAWYER TO HELP RID THEM OF A GREAT NEMESIS, AND THE SURVIVORS LEARN SOME SHOCKING INFORMATION ABOUT OCEANIC FLIGHT 815, ON ABC’S “LOST” “The Brig” – A newly focused Locke breaks away from “The Others” in an attempt to persuade Sawyer to help rid them of a great nemesis that has caused nothing but pain in both of their lives. Meanwhile, a new island inhabitant discloses some shocking information about Oceanic Flight 815, on “Lost,” WEDNESDAY, MAY 2 (10:00-11:00 p.m., ET), on the ABC Television Network.

“Lost” stars Naveen Andrews as Sayid, Henry Ian Cusick as Desmond, Emilie de Ravin as Claire, Michael Emerson as Ben, Matthew Fox as Jack, Jorge Garcia as Hurley, Josh Holloway as Sawyer, Daniel Dae Kim as Jin, Yunjin Kim as Sun, Evangeline Lilly as Kate, Elizabeth Mitchell as Juliet, Dominic Monaghan as Charlie and Terry O’Quinn as Locke.

Guest starring are M.C. Gainey as Mr. Friendly/Tom, Kevin Tighe as Anthony Cooper, Mira Furlan as Danielle Rousseau, Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, Kimberly Joseph as Cindy and Marsha Thomason as Naomi.

“The Brig” was written by Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse and directed by Eric Laneuville. ”Lost” is broadcast in 720 Progressive (720P), ABC’s selected HDTV format, with 5.1-channel surround sound and Spanish audio via SAP. A TV parental guideline will be assigned closer to airdate.

-- JoserKyind 12:32, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

No Flashback?[]

hey guys,, i know this sounds fishy and I know that Locke has to be covered for three missing episodes (16,17,18) in episode 19... It is very possible that the Locke/Cooper daddy issues will be the major arc in this episode, but don't you think that at least some pre-island flashbacks or AT LEAST on-island flashbacks will occure... If you think about it... IF episode 19 goes back to the moment where Ben first showed Locke "The Man from Tallahassee" and we see Lockes reaction... That is technically a flashback even it goes back 5 days... --mo-- (^Talk | ) 08:08, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

Flashback[]

I am almost certain that this will be an episode much like Three Minutes where the storyline will be mixed with Locke's on- island flashbacks covering the time from the end of The Man from Tallahassee to the present time. Hopefully it will explain the exodus from the barracks and Locke's bandaged hand. --Pinknoise 10:37, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

Official Description[]

Locke breaks away from the Others to try to persuade Sawyer to help get rid of a common nemesis; a new island inhabitant discloses shocking information about the survivors' flight Source: WCHSTV - Lawliet 18:33, 14 April 2007 (PDT)

I just watched the trailer for this episode. Locke said it was Ben but he had a bag over his head so it could be a dummy (and it's a test to see if Sawyer could join the others. I hope it is ben though --Jazza|talk|Contributions 16:04, 26 April 2007 (PDT)

Cindy[]

Yeah! Cindy's back!--Phil (talk) 12:33, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

Hopefully the kids will too (they weren't credited in the press release for "Stranger in a Strange Land")! Is this the first time no new characters have appeared (except for "Pilot, Part 2")? >: 4 8 15 16 23 42 12:43, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

I always wanted to see the rest of the tailies, maybe they will appear in "The Brig".--Phil (talk) 13:57, 18 April 2007 (PDT)

Anthony Cooper[]

So, the offical press release says: "LOCKE TRIES TO PERSUADE SAWYER TO HELP RID THEM OF A GREAT NEMESIS" and Kevin Tighe is listed as a guest star Anthony Cooper... so... rereading the first line does it make sense that "them" is actually just Sawyer and Locke not just everyone and that we finally get final confirmation that Cooper was the original Sawyer? --Lonedog80 09:56, 18 April 2007 (PDT)

Obviously the mutual nemesis that Locke and Sawyer have is Anthony Cooper who is in fact the orginal Sawyer. Does rase the question of whether its a Locke or Sawyer centric episode though...(Arjayoh 10:41, 23 April 2007 (PDT))

Presumably the 'getting rid' has already happened then. Assuming it will be seen in a flashback. Has anyone noticed Sawyer being absent from the group or bearing any scratches the last few days? I'm basing my assumption on my opinion that Lock looked quite calm and resolved last time we saw him.--Laika 01:51, 24 April 2007 (PDT)

The preview made it seem as though the nemesis was Ben.Andrew T. 00:02, 26 April 2007 (PDT)

They also made it look like Sun hit Sawyer with a shovel (Expose). Or that Kate hit Juliet after Juliet said Kate broke Jacks heart (Left Behind). I would look more into the detail then the sequence of the preview.--Et Shadow 17:07, 26 April 2007 (PDT)

Just a quick note - if you compare the shirts of Anthony Cooper in The Man from Tallahassee and the promo they appear to be wearing different shirts. It's a minor detail, but if he's being detained as he is, why would you bother to let him change? The shirt he's wearing in Tallahassee looks worn and dirty anyway Pita 03:20, 2 May 2007 (PDT)

Locke centric[]

The promo pics show that the flashbacks are Locke's, on the island. Shadow Ultra 21:18, 20 April 2007 (PDT)

Where are the Promo Pics?

At ABCMedianet. Bigger versions can be found here. They show Locke in scenes from his flashbacks on the island. Shadow Ultra 12:00, 21 April 2007 (PDT)
Thank god, Locke is the best character and I love finding out about him --Jazza|talk|Contributions 08:31, 26 April 2007 (PDT)

"New island inhabitant"[]

Does the above press release mean Naomi is going to reveal something about the search for Flight 815? Have they called off the search - or is she a part of the search for the flight? --RyanBrynna 09:46, 22 April 2007 (PDT)

She did in the last episode. dposse 08:26, 26 April 2007 (PDT)
- She only said that it crashed and they were all dead, I don't think she's telling the truth though--Jazza|talk|Contributions 16:01, 26 April 2007 (PDT)
  - Either that or Flight 815's supposed "recovery" and the media reports following it (which is where I assume she got this information from) were all just coverups orchestrated by someone with a significant amount of power (possibly the Hanso Foundation) who found out that Flight 815 had crashed on the Island. Due to the amount of security that both the Others and the Hanso Foundation seem to employ when bringing an outsider to the Island, I would think that having an entire plane full of people finding out about it and revealing it to the public after being rescued would most likely bring an end to any plans that they had for the Island. –Nahald 20:47, 26 April 2007 (PDT)
    - Though this may be countermanded as we learn more about her, the way the actress said the line coupled with the fact the character has no known motivation to lie to the 815ers, leads to the conclusion that Naomi didn't lie to Hurley. Based on what limited info she has about Flight 815, the general public knowledge of the event is that they crashed and there were no survivors. Whether actual bodies were found etc., that's unknown, and Naomi may not have details on that. To compare to a recent actual current event, I read and heard that there was a shooting in Virginia Tech involving thirty-three dead bodies. I saw no bodies. I didn't go there myself to check. I presume the news isn't lying to me, but for all I know it was staged. Ask a member of The Flat Earth Society what he thinks about the Apollo Moon Landings. He'll tell you they were staged. Truth is more subjective than one might think. -- ZachsMind 22:43, 26 April 2007 (PDT)
      - Yeah, and besides, when a plane crashes in the ocean do they even bother with recovering bodies? Because I would think that undertaking such a task would be more trouble than it's worth. But I could be wrong though, I really don't know anything about standard procedure for dealing with airliners that have crashed in the ocean. –Nahald 10:21, 2 May 2007 (PDT)

Title[]

The title got me thinking, obviously 'the brig' is a prison cell on a ship but could it be a holding cage for Ben constructed by Locke or the losties or perhaps a prison controlled by the others to hold some of the tailies--Jazza|talk|Contributions 16:08, 26 April 2007 (PDT)

I doubt they keep the Tailies in cages, they're "good people", and as such have probably joined the Others now. --Sauron18 19:42, 26 April 2007 (PDT)

Jazza, the Brig is in reference to the room where they were keeping Cooper/RealSawyer. There could be other metaphorical references one could glean, but ultimately next episode is about Locke trying to get James to kill Cooper. Ben's not being held by anybody right now. Sauron, those Tailies that were captured were considered 'good' because they could be turned to join Ben's community - that's what the lists Ethan and Goodwin made for Ben were about; which ones were suitable to join their tribe. From Ben's perspective, his people are the good guys. Just as our 815ers are seeing themselves as the good guys and anyone unfriendly as 'them,' the same holds true for Ben's people. They are "us" to them. And the 815ers are the outsiders, the usurpers, the intruders on their soil. So. Now the Tailies, including Cindy, are not to be trusted. Unless of course you've stopped rooting for the 815ers. =) -- ZachsMind 22:52, 26 April 2007 (PDT)

If a brig is used on a ship, it will b the Black Rock ship, because the promo pics show Locke, Danielle and Sawyer in there--Phil (talk) 07:33, 28 April 2007 (PDT)

Locke Promo Semantics[]

In the promo, Locke runs into Sawyer, saying this:

Locke: "A few hours ago I snuck into Ben's tent, and kidnapped HIM. I tied HIM up and dragged HIM off into the jungle."

Sawyer: "And you came all the way back here to tell me this because...?"

Locke: "Because this is the same man who tortured you, beat you, humiliated you. And I want you to kill HIM"

Is the HIM that Locke referring to actually Ben, or is he avoiding the fact that he kidnapped Anthony Cooper, the real Sawyer? shrodes 23:49, 27 April 2007 (PDT)

I think it's really Cooper and he knows Sawyer would never believe him if he told the truth. Shadow Ultra 07:31, 28 April 2007 (PDT)
Locke doesn't know about the connection between Sawyer and Cooper. He does know however about the time Sawyer spent with the Others and the things that Ben did to him. Maybe he's trying to get Sawyer to kill Cooper by making Sawyer think he's killing Ben, not realizing that Sawyer will probably be more cooperative if he knew it was actually Cooper. Further more, it this is true, look how ironic this sentence is, because it's true for both Ben and Cooper:

"Because this is the same man who tortured you, beat you, humiliated you."--Avudim 07:59, 1 May 2007 (PDT)

On the contrary, if Locke's read Sawyer's file, he knows that Sawyer was manipulated into killing the man in Sydney, and there's no way he'll trust anyone who claims Cooper is the real Sawyer - unless Cooper says it himself. Locke tells him it's Ben because telling him it's the Real Sawyer will backfire - Cooper must admit it, James must determine it's his Nemesis on his own. Locke is manipulating James as well as any Other now.Nynn 11:17, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

More ambiguity: Sawyer: "What the hell are you doing here?" Locke: "Looking for you, actually". Sawyer: "I ain't killing nobody! You understand me?."Locke: "When you hear what he has to say, you'll change your mind." --Hunter61 08:46, 1 May 2007 (PDT)

Not to belabor the point, but...from The Hunting Party:

LOCKE: Why'd you pick that name?

SAWYER: Ain't it obvious? All you need's an earring and a mop.

LOCKE: No, your name. Why'd you pick Sawyer?

SAWYER: What do you mean, pick?

LOCKE: After the census Hurley gave me the flight manifest. Your name is James, right? James Ford.

SAWYER: What's it to you?

LOCKE: Just an interesting name to choose, is all. Who'd you get it from?

SAWYER: Who says I got it from anybody?

--Amberjet11 10:30, 1 May 2007 (PDT)

Change to "Unconfirmed (possibly Locke)"[]

The promo pictures show it's a Locke flashback episode. Shouldn't this be changed? Shadow Ultra 07:31, 28 April 2007 (PDT)

I don't think it is changed until the episode actually airs. HelloJohn 14:23, 29 April 2007 (PDT)

Brig,,,[]

a brig according to Wikipedia is a "vessel with two square-rigged masts",,, so pretty much an old style ship http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/Ladyport.jpg Could we see the Black Rock in this episode??--mo-- (^Talk | ) 09:48, 30 April 2007 (PDT)

It has more than one meaning, though. According to Merriam-Webster's website:
1 : a place (as on a ship) for temporary confinement of offenders in the United States Navy
2 : GUARDHOUSE, PRISON
--Amberjet11 10:32, 1 May 2007 (PDT)

hmm,, guess we did see the Black Rock ;),, but it was too obvious,, and the creators do play tricks in their titles soo.. --mo-- (^Talk |

) 20:52, 2 May 2007 (PDT)

Locke flashback confirmed[]

its on the latest pod cast, its gonna be lockes flashbacks

Gates of Hades[]

Spoiler:

Under theories there should be a section included about the "Gates of Hades." This is makeing more and more sense. Ben is the keeper of the underworld who is the only one who can send people back, the monster is cyberous, Desmond(Odysseus) and Penelpe and Cyclops (eye patch guy), the fact that the Losties are supposedly dead according to this and last episoide, that babies can't be concieved there, that you have to "go to sleep" or possibly die in order to get there. I don't know that much about mythology but the more i read the longer the list gets. There is just too many references to greek mythology.

If you have a theory that touches on a theme or overlying premise, then it doesn't belong at the theories section of an episode, but rather create a fan-theory page. I think some of your stuff is coincidental but I can't disprove your theory and I'm sure others will agree with you. Mr Vain talk contribs email 21:17, 2 May 2007 (PDT)

Christianity References?[]

I don't know if anyone has touched on these yet and there seems like a lot of Greek Mythology talk, but there also seems to be some heavy influence from Christianity/Judaism as well. The first is that it seems as if John is being tested like Abraham to sacrifice someone. The others seem to want Locke as there spiritual leader. The one who will free and heal them. This is like the Judaism belief that the savior will come and open the gates of heaven and allow the Jews to enter. The last one I wanted to point out was incredibly visual at the end of this episode. When Locke picks up his fathers body he carries it in an unusual fashion. Instead of hoisting the body over his shoulder at the midpoint which would seems to be the easiest way to carry it, he instead lifts just part of it over. The visual is strikingly similar to Jesus carrying the cross and if you look at the image in the blog you with this in mind I think you may agree. Just a side note, the monster could represent the devil, do it killed the most religious person who would be a benefit to Locke's transformation to this savior. Not saying all of this is some religious story, but it certainly alludes to that. One note from the press release. Ben is to begin explaining the secrets of the island to Locke beginning with the mysterious Jacob, also a key figure in Judaism. Hi email me at akrtek@gmail.com Use lost in the subject line please.,

The series has all kinds of religious symbolism. The Greek material is heavily associated with the Dharma Initiative for whatever reasons. I dont agree with Locke being tested like Abraham. Locke did have an Abraham-like test but it was with Boone. He did in a way sacrifice Boone. Desmond was tested in the same way in Catch 22 but saved rather than sacrificed Charlie.

Locke's test with Anthony Cooper is different. It wasn't a sacrifice. The Others have been said to believe in eye-for-an-eye kind of justice. And from the point of view of them sitting in judgement of Cooper, Cooper deserved death. I can't think of a biblical story where a son kills a father. The closest one I can think of is King Saul and King David where Saul prevented David from becoming King for a while and even tried to kill him. Saul and son died in a war which solved the problem.

In (simplified) Greek Myth terms, Locke killing his father would have violated the natural order of things and brought down the Furies (Erinyes) to punish/destroy him. Dharmatel4 12:55, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

Not necessarily, since Cooper tried to kill Locke first. --Amberjet11 10:59, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

Unlock Please![]

Can someone please unlock "the Brig"--Presariocompaq 20:32, 2 May 2007 (PDT)

--Central, Mountain and Pacific have ta see it first! Jeez!

But the episode articles are usually unlocked after the East Coast sees it. Tehr 20:59, 2 May 2007 (PDT)

lol,, than those on the east coast go to bed :P,, your editing can wait until tomorrow,, i saw it on CTV (Canada) at 8:00pm so I have been waiting for a while ;) --mo-- (^Talk |

) 20:51, 2 May 2007 (PDT)

My God... that may have been the best episode ever. I've been waiting 3 years for next week's episode. Finally some answers!!!

some of us are losers and want to update the file now. unblock it please.

Sorry all for the delay, it's usually unlocked by another sysop. I just finished watching the episode myself. Jabberwock talk contribs email -

Images: Adding to pages while ignoring warnings[]

It just bothers me that I have to keep re-adding the screens when ppl who use a text editor to write the synopsis ignore the fact that they are removing images in the process. I find myself having to repeat my work over and over to re-add images that people delete while updating pages. It takes effort to re-zig-zag, re-type screen info and re-add pictures :( ... any help with this would be appretiated, I've only been very active here for a month or so and would appreciate suggestions to avoid this.Congested 00:36, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

I make sure to re-add the images if I make a major change to the synopsis, but if other people aren't... I would suggest waiting until the synopsis is more solidified to add images. Or Just put them in a seperate section of the article and people can copy and paste them back into the synopsis when it's more fleshed out. --Jackdavinci 00:53, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

Yeah, I had thought about waiting but for me it's really fun to see what's being written and find the right screen to represent it. Your second point sort of opened up a door for me though. Next week I will do what you suggested on some form or another. I'll run some of this by some sysops and ppl on the IRC Channel about it. Congested 02:13, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

Main Article Structure[]

Would it be possible to restructure the episode synopsis to separate the two sets of realtime events? It would be easier to associate related events if the events surrounding the Others (Locke/Sawyer/Cooper/etc.) and the events at the beach (Desmond/Charlie/Hurley/Naiomi/etc.) were presented in separate subsections.

I don't feel it's appropriate to go ahead and make this change myself  long-time lurker, first-time poster  but I'm pretty sure that doing so would be a breach of etiquette and I could well goof the layout (I promise to check the help documentation to be more familiar with both etiquette and technique before posting further ... wanted to make this suggestion before folks become too accustomed to the current structure).

Jim 04:03, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

Timeline clues[]

Flashback
- 8 days ago - dark
  - Locke faces Cooper, continues events of "The Man from Tallahassee"
- 3 days ago - light
  - Locke helps the Others set up camp, talks with Ben.
  - Ben has Juliet's tape - must be on or after day 88 (Juliet sets date as nearest Saturday to day 90)
- 3 days ago - dark
  - Ben tests whether Locke will kill Cooper
- 2 days ago - light
  - Richard gives Locke the file on Sawyer
- 1 day ago - light
  - The Others leave John and Cooper behind
Real time
- Day 1 - dark
  - John destroys Sawyer's files
  - Kate leaves Sawyer's tent, Sawyer sees Charlie's team has returned, Locke enlists Sawyer
- Day 1 - light
  - Charlie tells Jack they got back that morning, Charlie's team cares for Naomi, Sayid talks to Naomi, Sayid is caught with the phone by Kate, Kate tells Jack
  - Sawyer and Locke travel to the Black Rock, Locke traps Sawyer with Cooper, Locke encounters Danielle, Sawyer kills Cooper, Locke warns Sawyer about Juliet and leaves

Some timeline clues in this episode... Three days ago must be on or after day 88 according to Juliet's tape recording. So the part of The Man From Tallahassee where Locke meets Cooper (either day one before midnight or day two after midnight) must have happened no earlier than day 83. --Jackdavinci 01:17, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

Satellite Phone[]

Is there someone familiar with that sat phone? does the world map on it always show the same picture? Otherwise -- why do the "signal" circles on the map center towards the westcoast of the US? Enigma talk contribs email 06:17, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

I got the impression that was the location of the satellite, not the phone. --Jackdavinci 09:40, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

Bali[]

Ummm, guys... Bali located Northwest of Australia, about 6,000 miles from where the plane should have been. WHY would the world have accepted that the plane ended up there?!? --Pedxing 10:30, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

The best explanation would be that that plane had some sort of catistrophic radio and navigation failure a few hours in and turned in a slow circle around until it was going the wrong direction. Thats the best I can come up with, but I dont think its very good.

If the plane went down into a deep ocean trench, you can possibly create a small conspiracy involving only the people who shot underwater footage. Add in a dummy flight recorder and maybe it works out. Since it went down over Bali, its possible that some corruption in the indonesian government could have highly limited access to the crash site. Its vaguely possible, but its still not all that realistic. Dharmatel4 11:13, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

Let's review, shall we? Like I said before, Naomi has essentially no reason to lie. Certainly, she has no reason to lie in this much detail. And, even assuming she's lying, why on earth would she make up such an implausible lie? There's a reason they say that truth is stranger than fiction. See the discussion page for D.O.C. for confirmation of this by persons other than me, but we already knew basically everything she's telling us. Back in season 1 (or maybe 2, I dunno) an official source connected to the show released fake news articles talking about how Oceanic Air had lost 2 planes (of which 815 was the second) and how the wreckage for flight 815 was eventually found (it might even have said off the coast of Bali, I can't recall - which is why I really would like someone to step up and provide these articles, or at least a link). So either Naomi is consciously lying along with the producers of the show, we can take her to mean what she says. So we should no longer even be debating whether or not the outside world believes that 815 crashed in the ocean and everyone died, because we know that, in fact, the outside world does believe that. The question is how this came to pass and why. -larryniven

Also, didn't the Pilot say in, um, "The Pilot," that the plane was flying in the wrong direction for two hours? --Amberjet11 10:58, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

There's something that really doesn't make any sense. The testimonies of Naomi and Anthony Cooper are supposed to represent the outside world's perspective of the plane crash. Anthony Cooper said the plane crashed in the Pacific Ocean. Naomi said the plane crashed off the coast of Bali. The problem is that Bali is located in the Indian Ocean. So, either one of them is a big fat liar, or the writers made a big mistake. Cryptonic 14:06, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

With the theory about different realities in parallel, it could be possible more than two flighs 815; maybe we´ll watch the different posibilities in others time-travels by desmond, depending on his acts in the "real world". I suppouse, in addition, there are different places where the desmond´s photo were taken (one of this we watched yet, but maybe we watch other realities where the pictures will be taken on the real place, not with a picture behind, like in london)--Fuzter lost 01:58, 6 May 2007 (PDT)

old place[]

Right now, "old place" links directly to the ruins. Do we actually know that they are the same thing. In other words, is the "old place" the ruins or their ultimate destination? Dharmatel4 10:31, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

I doubt it. They are still on the move. The old place they are going to is probably still to come. Granite 09:16, 5 May 2007 (PDT)

Locke: carrying his sins (weight) on his back?[]

Did anyone else find strong symbolism after Locke picked his faster's corpse up and carried him on his back with a grim expression on his face? It was almost biblical. dposse 14:20, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

Actually, it's far more Greek than biblical - Aeneas carried his father on his back, too. Karin Spaink

Actually, Aeneas was a Trojan and the book The Aeneid, in which he carries his father Anchises on his back, was written by Virgil, a Roman. djumbrosia

Unanswered Qs answered[]

Q: "When Locke was helping Cindy with her tent, why did the background sounds in the Camp sound like the Monster?" A: There was nothing sounding like "The Monster" in the background, only crickets and faint voices. I will take that question out. Q: "In what way is the Others' new camp an "old place"?" A: They camped in the ruins of an old civilisation.Roger 16:00, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

The question is, Does Ben know the story of the clearing? He seemed to speak with a hint of nostalgia or at least familiarity. A clearing with a pillar need not be identified as an "old place." Jburnson 07:51, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

Q: What did Jack refuse to tell Kate when pressured by Juliet? A?: That nobody is going to be able to rescue them, and the sat. radio isn't going to work because of the discharge? MiF86 17:28, 6 May 2007 (PDT)

That one isn't answered - or rather, the answer you have provided is one of many answers that fit the question. Other appropriate answers could include: Jack and Juliet are moles waiting for a helicopter to get off the island; That Kate is pregnant; That Jack already knew about Naomi from another source; etc. (Note, all these are just my theories showing that the question isn't answered, and probably most of them aren't true...) Besides, someone has already readded the question anyway. --RyanBrynna 00:11, 8 May 2007 (PDT)

Cooper & Naomi Conflict on 815[]

Naomi says the 815 wreckage was discovered off the coast of Bali (part of Indonesia), which is in the Indian Ocean. Cooper tells Sawyer that his dead son's plane crashed in the Pacific. One possibility is that for some unknown reason, Naomi is refering to the fictional island of Bali H'ai, which was in the South Pacific.--Eyeful Tower 17:30, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

While Bali may technically be considered in the Indian Ocean, for anyone (such as Cooper) who has only a basic knowledge of geography, Bali looks like it's on the border between the Indian Ocean and the Pacific. And Flight 815 took off in the Pacific. It's also possible he just assumed it crashed in the same ocean it was supposed to be travelling over, or that he only knows that Bali is near Australia. --Jackdavinci 23:58, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

Yes, confusion is always a possibility. But I'm still struggling with the "Bali" thing. To put it in a geographic reference Americans might be more familiar with, how plausible is it to find a plane that departed Dallas bound for London in an ocean trench off the coast of Alaska?--Eyeful Tower 04:54, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

Or Americans could just look a map and find it out for themselves rather than us having to make analogies for them! :P -- Chuq 06:09, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

The implausibility of flight 815 ending up in Bali is a seperate issue from Cooper thinking Bali is in the Pacific. I agree that Bali is in the complete wrong direction for flight 815 to end up in terms of it's originally planned flight path. --Jackdavinci 06:39, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

Which is what the Hanso Foundation or someone else who wants to keep the Island a secret wants. They want everyone to be looking in the wrong direction so they put the plane in the opposite direction, where it would be found and forgotten about. dposse 06:52, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

The problem with that whole "Anthony Cooper only has a basic knowledge of geography" theory, is that he most likely found out about the crash through a news medium. They would report it as having crashed in the Indian Ocean, off the coast of Bali. They would NEVER mention the Pacific Ocean nor refer to Bali as being located in the Pacific Ocean. Cryptonic 14:23, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

JDV -"...Cooper thinking Bali is in the Pacific" Coooper never mentioned Bali, only the Pacific. The only evidence we have that the plane went down off Bali is the statement of a woman who was flying a night grid search over what she believed to be "the middle of the bloody ocean" wearing a heavily tinted visor.--Eyeful Tower 15:24, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

"Bali" and "the Pacific" just doesn't make sense. I just can't figure it out except to assume someone in the writing staff made a huge mistake and should have written "Fiji" or "Tahiti" or something... It would have taken many hours for a plane six hours outside of Sydney on the way to Los Angeles to end up near Bali, and they would have flown over many radar installations, etc... The world just would not buy that the plane ended up there. Unless the plane DID fly that way! Maybe the pilot was lying? Maybe someone knocked them all out and commandeered the plane and flew it for hours back West? And BTW, not all of us Americans are geographically impaired... --Pedxing 18:57, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

If the world does believe 815 crashed off Bali, then the cover-up would have to involve a story of a hijacking of some sort. And if there really was a 777 in a trench 4 miles down, where did it come from and who was on it?--Eyeful Tower 13:17, 5 May 2007 (PDT)

recurring phrase[]

I noticed that Ben tells Locke that it is his mess, and he has to clean it up. This is the same thing that Boone told Locke in his airport vision earlier this season (but then it referred to Eko). Mithos 10:23, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

The audience is watching[]

Did anyone else notice a parallel between (a) when everyone was watching if Locke would kill his father, and (b) when Cindy told Jack in Stranger in a Strange Land "We came to watch". ? Also, isn't it weird The Others would allow children to see a murder? --Frosty yul 10:59, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

I noticed that too, when I heard it Im like "wait that sounds familiar? Didnt boones say that about eko?" Almigthy Sal

No Magic Box[]

Ok so its pretty much implied that Mr Cooper was forced into a car crash and drugged by the others and brought to the island. So that would mean that he didnt come out of a magic box (metaphorical or not) and Locke didnt "bring him here". The others brought him there after going through Locke and Sawyer's files. They brought him there to further manipulate Locke and probably Sawyer too. The whole idea of the magic box and Lockes control of it seems like yet another thing Ben is using to manipulate Locke, make him feel special and purposeful which is all Locke really wants. Once Ben gives Locke what he wants he can just as easily take it away. He PWNS him or whatever. BTW- best ep eva. --J Steel 12:51, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

The magical box is a metaphor. Ben says that in the episode. There is no literal box. And we have no proof that it was actually the Others who brought Anthony Cooper there. So, yeah. While it is possible, let's not go stating everything as fact.

locke and a black eye?[]

.......the "unanswered questions" has the item "locke has a black eye"......WHERE??? i watched the last episodes where was locke, and always he has clear eyes...... you´re crazy, your TVs has some kind of problems....or....please, tell me exactly where did you saw a black eye on locke....--Fuzter lost 13:36, 5 May 2007 (PDT)

Americans use the slang term "black eye" to refer to "bruising of the skin around the eye," not a "black eyeball." At the end of "The Man from Tallahasee," Locke's left cheek is badly bruised, as if he had been beaten. Americans would call this a "black eye."--Eyeful Tower 14:48, 5 May 2007 (PDT)

thanks !! hehe... of course, i´m not english native, and now, i know a little more!--Fuzter lost 01:49, 6 May 2007 (PDT)

Others have contact with outside world still?[]

Cooper's story made it sound as if he was very recently brought to the Island. Right after his car crash, he wakes up in the room where Locke finds him. So... do the Others still have contact with the outside world? And can they can bring people on (and thus off) the Island now?

Ben clearly knew who Anthony Cooper was and where he was from -- referring to him as "the Man From Tallahassee."

I think that when Danielle first captured Ben and brought Sayid to him, he was on his way to get Locke because his father was already there on the island. Ben even said he'd come for Locke, and I didn't really believe him at first, but now it makes more sense. Plus, Cooper must have been lying that first person he saw after the blacking out in the ambulance was Locke, because Tom was already guarding him inside the room with a tazer! Blackannis 03:44, 6 May 2007 (PDT)

clean up[]

can i rewquest a clean up of the unanswered questions section? at the minute it seems like more of a forum rather than a lostpoedia article--KevGGrif 13:40, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

Naomi's Crash[]

Naomi said that three days ago she was finishing a search and she crashed. The helicopter crashed in the early morning hours, 2-4AM. Why would you do a search when it is so dark. Is Noami lying? Were they secretly looking for the island? I think Naomi is still withholding something, besides her copilot. --Brian2 22:33, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

I'd imagine that infrared cameras are more effective for searching for live bodies and small craft at sea than unaided eyeballs or cameras operating in the visual range. Radar would be used to search for larger craft. I don't know how easy it would be to spot something of the size of Desmond's yacht using radar - I think it would depend on the prevailing wave height at the time. Regardless, I think this means that searching at night is certainly possible and not necessearly contradictory. KC 03:09, 8 May 2007 (PDT)
Remember that it was an electromagnetic disturbance that initiatied the searcg for Desmond in that particular area. So I'd wager that she wasnt looking for a yacht.--Laika 04:21, 8 May 2007 (PDT)

Fair point. It does beg the question of what they were expecting to find. I have to concede that it's almost 100% certain that it couldn't be the yacht. Wherever and whatever this anomily they were chasing was, why did they think they'd find Desmond when they found it? Naomi certainly didn't seem to have been expecting to find an island. KC 07:18, 8 May 2007 (PDT)

Ever since the electromagnetic monitoring station contacting Penny I've figured that she knows about the island and knows that Desmond is there. Since the race that led to Desmond's arrival on the island was sponsered by Penny's father I'm willing to put money on Mr Widmore having some connection with the island which Penny knows about.--Laika 02:45, 9 May 2007 (PDT)

Come on she is SO an other.. :D --Lewis -Talk-Contribs 04:27, 8 May 2007 (PDT)

Answered questions section[]

why has mt answerewd questions section been removed? i posted a topic about its possibliity in the lostpedia forum and gained a good responce from it and i would like it put back!--KevGGrif 14:28, 8 May 2007 (PDT)

It was removed because its an ill-defined section. There is no criteria for what questions should be listed as "answered". Ill-defined sections tend to get used for other purposes than what was intended. I'm concerned that bad questions are going to migrate from the unanswered questions to the answered questions. Dharmatel4 15:31, 8 May 2007 (PDT)

but obviouysly only definate answered questions would be put in, for example anthony is lockes dad!--KevGGrif 12:48, 10 May 2007 (PDT)

This episode breaks the timeline[]

Can we check on DVDs and recordings of episodes. Which day on the Island does this episode start on? According to the timeline day 82, but according to the article, day 83... Plkrtn talk contribs email 05:48, 4 March 2008 (PST)

I agree with you something is off, and it's been bugging me since last season. I know Expose was day 81 and D.O.C. ends the morning of Day 88 (Juliet says Saturday out loud and it's the only Saturday between day 81 and Christmas Eve, which is shown in The Constant. But I've felt that something else has been off since Left Behind. Now it's leading to a "split timeline" in the Lostpedia Timeline articles .. and I'm pretty sure that it is NOT indeed 2 different days on the island and on the frieghter. --Jeff 10:33, 6 March 2008 (PST)

What exact details to poinpoint dates do we have? "D.O.C." ends in the early hours of December 18, 2004 (Juliet estimates Sun's time on the island as "90 days", and gives the date as "Saturday" in her recorded message to Ben). "Operation: Sleeper" is set the night after (Juliet refers to the events of "D.O.C." as "last night"), and at the beginning of "Greatest Hits", Jack refers to the events of "Operation: Sleeper" as "a couple of nights ago". The beginning of "Through the Looking Glass, Part 1" takes place on the same day as "Greatest Hits", then there's a night/day shift about halfway through the episode, so the end of "Through the Looking Glass, Part 1" is set a day after "Greatest Hits". "The Beginning of the End" still occurs on the same day as the end of "Through the Looking Glass, Part 1", and ends at night, which puts the events of "Confirmed Dead" and "The Economist" two days after "Greatest Hits". That still puts "The Brig" and "The Man Behind the Curtain" in the "uncertain" territory. "The Brig" starts at night, with Hurley, Jin, Desmond and Charlie already being back with Naomi, but the way they act makes it seem as if they had only returned recently. There's no further day/night shift in "The Brig", and the beginning of "The Man Behind the Curtain" still appears to occur on the same day as "The Brig". The biggest problem would be Kate claiming that Naomi parachuted on the island "yesterday" in "The Brig", which can't be right; but then, Kate might not know exactly when Naomi parachuted, only that it was "recently".--Nevermore 17:18, 8 March 2008 (PST)

This episode actually fits if it's applied correctly. DOC is what is breaking the timeline. -- LOSTonthis darnisland 13:19, 14 April 2008 (PDT)

Is this really the third episode that takes place completely on the island?[]

The Other 48 Days is listed as the first and Three Minutes is listed as the second. Didn't Maternity Leave take place completely on the island as well? That would make this the fouth episode that takes place completely on the island and Three Minutes actually the third.

The Others knowing about Sawyer killing Frank Duckett[]

I notice that someone replaced my unanswered question with something about how the Others get files on everyone. I realize the need to consolidate questions, but I think in this case it's more than just how they get files. There were no witnesses or anything to connect Sawyer to the shooting. No arrests or charges or anything were ever made, so it's not like finding out about what Kate had done or about Jack's divorce or things that were matters of public record.

8 Days to 3 Days[]

Does anyone know why it goes from a flashback of 8 days ago to 3 days ago? What about days 7, 6, 5, and 4? It seems odd to go from 8 to 3. --CTS 17:35, 24 May 2008 (PDT)

Because on days 7, 6, 5, and 4 all Locke was doing was walking around the island with the Others while they made their way to the ruins. Nothing happened worth showing. --Jackdavinci 19:24, 24 May 2008 (PDT)

Emma and Zach[]

Has anynody noticed how much taller Emma has become than Zach. I know its just the kids growning up but i though that it was interesting. In The Other 48 Days, Emma is only a hair taller than Zach. But only 90 days later Emma has become a whole head taller than Zach. I don't have a pic of them from 48 days but I just though it was interesting. --LostCloverfield42 20:53, 3 July 2008 (PDT)

I'm pretty sure it's just the actors growing taller, not a plot issue. -- CTS Talk Contribs 20:59, 3 July 2008 (PDT)

Sawyer's Letter[]

After i watched this episode again, i noticed something about Sawyer's letter. How could the letter remain in such good condition after the raft attacked by the Others, and Sawyer remained in water for couple of hours? Is this a blooper? --Paintbox 12:13, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

He wrote it with Jacob's pen. ;-) --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 11:21, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Dorrit[]

The article list's Naomi's name as a reference to Little Dorrit. I was about to delete it, in accordance with the usual "direct references only policy" but then I Googled the name and was surprised by how nearly all pages refer to the book... the first non-reference listing is our page on Naomi. We should still delete the mention though, right? --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 11:21, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Recurring themes[]

In thats ection, it says "According to Ben, Locke has to kill Cooper so he can move on from the person he was before the Island. (Redemption)". How is it redemption? Isn't it parrent issue or fate vs. free will thing? Gevorg89 (talk) 19:41, 28 November 2020 (UTC)